Why I Have Serious Problems With The Keystone Pipeline Addition

wkmac

Well-Known Member
I say addition because part of the pipeline already exists with the Keystone pipeline within part of the US having gone into operation last summer with a capacity of 400k plus barrels of oil per day. The proposed Keystone XL would come out of Canada and increase the capacity to 900k barrels of oil per day. Are there concerns about the pipeline going over the Ogallala Aquafier of which we get water for the major part of the country of which we get out food? Yes but that's not the problem. The pipeline crosses over 70 major rivers and streams that feeds the watershed for the entire middle part of the country so that's the deal breaker? Again a concern but not the deal breaker. So what's the problem?

A Canadian company able to seize land using the force of eminent domain!

Obama stopping the pipeline may have done it for other reasons but in the interest of protecting property rights, stopping the pipeline was the right thing to do IMO. Individual property rights trumps transnational oil interests and yes it even trumps your personal interest of cheap gas at the pump. Using the gun against the one for the group or in socialist terms, the collective interests is still wrong.

And I do have a question for the group, if the pipeline is about supplying the US with oil and according to some would boost our oil independence from say Middle East sources (which is a good thing), if you look at this map of all the existing US pipelines, why does Keystone XL go all the way to the Gulf of Mexico and Port Arthur Texas? How would you look at this if you knew for example that the US has become a net "EXPORTER" (yes folks, I said net exporter as in shipping out) of gasoline, diesel and even jet fuel?
 

menotyou

bella amicizia
I am not now nor have I been a fan of the pipeline. I am not a fan of hydro fracking, either. Cheap gas vs clean water for the great grandkids is an easy choice. I am sick and tired of the government taking individual freedoms and wiping their collective :censored2: with them.

​Ron Paul for President!!!!
 

klein

Für Meno :)
wkmac, I'm not syupid either.
It's going all the way to Taxes (Gulf of Mexico) for it to get refined and then exported.
Funny, no single politician admits to it.

But a lot of Albertans know this is a fact, and we all say, why can't we just bulid our own refineries ??? !!!!
Then again, we have no port to ship it out of , right ?
Thru BC, we'll be lucky if we just get a pipeline bulit across that province. In Hells' no way would BC ever allow a refinery.
They are "our" California, just 1000 times worse (being green and enviromentalists).

So, I guess that only leaves the Gulf of Mexico open to do business with.
It's a shame that Americans will profit more from Canadian oil then Canadians will ever do and that's hard even for us to understand.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
wkmac, I'm not syupid either.
It's going all the way to Taxes (Gulf of Mexico) for it to get refined and then exported.
Funny, no single politician admits to it.

But a lot of Albertans know this is a fact, and we all say, why can't we just bulid our own refineries ??? !!!!
Then again, we have no port to ship it out of , right ?
Thru BC, we'll be lucky if we just get a pipeline bulit across that province. In Hells' no way would BC ever allow a refinery.
They are "our" California, just 1000 times worse (being green and enviromentalists).

So, I guess that only leaves the Gulf of Mexico open to do business with.
It's a shame that Americans will profit more from Canadian oil then Canadians will ever do and that's hard even for us to understand.

Your California ??? I have lots of refineries just up the road north of me. So, do you just say stuff and hope it's true?

California Oil Refinery Locations and Capacities
Classification of refiners based on crude oil capacity (barrels per day)
Information as of January 2008
Refinery NameBarrels
Per Day
CARB DieselCARB Gasoline
BP West Coast Products LLC, Carson Refinery265,000 YesYes
Chevron U.S.A. Inc., El Segundo Refinery260,000 YesYes
Chevron U.S.A. Inc., Richmond Refinery242,901 YesYes
Tesoro Refining & Marketing Company, Golden Eagle (Avon/Rodeo) Refinery166,000 YesYes
Shell Oil Products US, Martinez Refinery155,600 YesYes
ExxonMobil Refining & Supply Company, Torrance Refinery149,500 YesYes
Valero Benicia Refinery144,000 YesYes
ConocoPhillips, Wilmington Refinery139,000 YesYes
Tesoro Refining & Marketing Company, Wilmington Refinery97,000 YesYes
Valero (Ultramar) Wilmington Refinery80,887 YesYes
ConocoPhillips, Rodeo San Francisco Refinery76,000 YesYes
Big West of California LLC, Bakersfield Refinery66,000 YesYes
Paramount Petroleum Corporation, Paramount Refinery63,000 YesYes
ConocoPhillips, Santa Maria Refinery44,200 NoNo
Edgington Oil Company, Long Beach Refinery35,000 NoNo
Kern Oil & Refining Company, Bakersfield Refinery26,000 YesYes
San Joaquin Refining Company Inc., Bakersfield Refinery15,000 YesNo
Greka Energy, Santa Maria Refinery9,500 NoNo
Lunday Thagard, South Gate Refinery8,500 NoNo
Valero Wilmington Asphalt Refinery6,300 NoNo
Tenby Inc., Oxnard Refinery2,800 NoNo
Note: Data on this table represents total crude oil capacity not gasoline, distillate production, diesel fuel production or production of other products. Production potential varies depending on time of year and status of the refinery. A rule of thumb is that roughly 55 percent of total capacity is gasoline production (about 1.1 - 1.2 million barrels of gasoline - 46 to 50 million gallons - is produced per day).
Source: California Energy Commission Fuels Office Staff.
 
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