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[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

The President looks out for the country and its people. That is his job.

Our President elect has other interests in mind.

 

[vantexan]

Unfortunately, much of that isn't real.

Sorry.

Parts of that are real, so...

We're post-truth now; ymmv.

But, don't get too upset about things that may or may not be real...right?

Sorry bud, but you're the one being partisan. All of this came out in the Congressional hearings. She's probably the biggest crook who ever ran for President. Trump is no prize, but she is worse.

 

[bacha29]

You're serious? Emails from her server showed that she told Chelsea and the Egyptian ambassador that Benghazi was a terrorist attack. The Obama administration, including Hillary, which was heading into fall election in 2008, put out the story that it was a spontaneous riot due to outrage over that video. Everyone connected to the attack who testified before Congress stated they knew nothing about that video. It was a well organized attack with missile launchers by Al-Qaeda. But Obama didn't want that to get out right before the election because he had been saying everything was under control. And the Assistant Secretary of State, Charles Lamb, testified before Congress that the lack of sufficient security wasn't due to a budget shortfall. Amazing what is said under oath. And yes, the Republicans found plenty wrong with her actions, which made her blow up and say "At this point what difference does it make?"

Cover for her all you want, but the fact remains that she and Bill are worth well over $100,000,000 from just giving speeches, as well as hundreds of millions donated to their foundation, which pays for their traveling and some of her emails even say they used foundation money to pay for Chelsea's wedding, a big no-no. And after receiving a subpoena to turn over all emails she had her server acid washed, obliterating 33,000 emails. Can only imagine what was in there. And if she was a Republican I'd still call her a crook for all you talking partisanship.[/QUOTE

Here you are again going off topic and bringing up Benghazi again. You claim to know a lot about it and that's nice. Too bad you can't even get the year it happened right. So just hold out your hand and collect the Democrat sponsored social program benefits that will define the quality of your retirement and just hope and pray the we Democrats can some how preserve their existence because your beloved party has made it quite clear to anybody willing to pull their head out of the sand and look that they are indeed going after those benefits. That is cold hard fact. Cherish the experience.

 

[bacha29]

You're serious? Emails from her server showed that she told Chelsea and the Egyptian ambassador that Benghazi was a terrorist attack. The Obama administration, including Hillary, which was heading into fall election in 2008, put out the story that it was a spontaneous riot due to outrage over that video. Everyone connected to the attack who testified before Congress stated they knew nothing about that video. It was a well organized attack with missile launchers by Al-Qaeda. But Obama didn't want that to get out right before the election because he had been saying everything was under control. And the Assistant Secretary of State, Charles Lamb, testified before Congress that the lack of sufficient security wasn't due to a budget shortfall. Amazing what is said under oath. And yes, the Republicans found plenty wrong with her actions, which made her blow up and say "At this point what difference does it make?"

Cover for her all you want, but the fact remains that she and Bill are worth well over $100,000,000 from just giving speeches, as well as hundreds of millions donated to their foundation, which pays for their traveling and some of her emails even say they used foundation money to pay for Chelsea's wedding, a big no-no. And after receiving a subpoena to turn over all emails she had her server acid washed, obliterating 33,000 emails. Can only imagine what was in there. And if she was a Republican I'd still call her a crook for all you talking partisanship.

So here you are going off topic again. You claim to know a lot about Benghazi . That's nice. Too bad that you can't even get the year it happened right. From this point onward all you need to do is to hold out your hand and collect the Democrat sponsored social program benefits that will define the quality of your retirement and just pray that we Democrats will find a way to preserve them because your beloved party has made it quite clear that cutting or eliminating those benefits are the top of the new Congressional agenda when it convenes. And they have the votes to do it. So not if but when it happens, what will your reaction be? Why of course blame the Dems because we couldn't protect people like you from yourselves.

 

[vantexan]

So here you are going off topic again. You claim to know a lot about Benghazi . That's nice. Too bad that you can't even get the year it happened right. From this point onward all you need to do is to hold out your hand and collect the Democrat sponsored social program benefits that will define the quality of your retirement and just pray that we Democrats will find a way to preserve them because your beloved party has made it quite clear that cutting or eliminating those benefits are the top of the new Congressional agenda when it convenes. And they have the votes to do it. So not if but when it happens, what will your reaction be? Why of course blame the Dems because we couldn't protect people like you from yourselves.

You're right, it was 2012. I know that, had a brain fart. Doesn't change the fact that this administration outright lied about Benghazi to cover their butts. I didn't go off topic, I responded to misinformation. No one is cutting SS. Medicare needs revamping however.

 

[bacha29]

You're right, it was 2012. I know that, had a brain fart. Doesn't change the fact that this administration outright lied about Benghazi to cover their butts. I didn't go off topic, I responded to misinformation. No one is cutting SS. Medicare needs revamping however.

No one is cutting Social Security? Think again. Medicare? take a look at Ryan's plan to "reform' Medicare. Under his proposal fee for service will end, replaced with a voucher. Under his voucher plan a couple on Medicare will receive a voucher for $ 7700 to buy private health insurance. Tell you this right now guy. There isn't an insurer in the world that will sell a health insurance plan to a 68 year old couple for $ 650.a month.In fact I know a couple who will switch to medicare this month and can't wait because right now they're paying $ 1700 a month for a base health insurance plan. And Ryan thinks they can get one for $ 650. Shows you just how far out of touch he is with reality.

 

[fedex_rtd]

You do know Ambassador Stevens requested countless times for more security and was ignored? You don't know if it was a CIA paramilitary operation because you aren't privy to top secret documents. Unless of course you are one of the people who didn't have clearance that Hillary sent emails to.

Intrigue Surrounding The Secret CIA Operation In Benghazi Is Not Going Away

In January, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Congress that the CIA was leading a "concerted effort to try to track down and find and recover ... MANPADS [man-portable air defense systems]" looted from the stockpiles of toppled Libyan ruler Muammar Qaddafi.

Happy now??? Helps if you know what your talking about.

 

[sandwich]

You can't thru life full of mistrust and anger. How do you know the union head is telling the truth. Maybe he is not being honest. Trump is gonna be president. Get used to it. You might not like it but there is nothing you can do but hope for the best. Or, you can be bitter and angry for the next 4 years.

Just because somebody disagrees with you does not make them angry. This is a conversation about politics. Its gonna get heated. But your very good at dodging questions and generalizing people as "miserables". You sound like a fool. Trumps cabinet is all bankers and ceo's. It couldn't be more pro corporation anti worker if he tried. Its starting look like he has a hidden agenda.

 

[vantexan]

Intrigue Surrounding The Secret CIA Operation In Benghazi Is Not Going Away

In January, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Congress that the CIA was leading a "concerted effort to try to track down and find and recover ... MANPADS [man-portable air defense systems]" looted from the stockpiles of toppled Libyan ruler Muammar Qaddafi.

Happy now??? Helps if you know what your talking about.

Mea culpa. However you said it was a paramilitary op THAT WENT BAD. No, it was an attack on our consulate and CIA base in Benghazi. We didn't instigate the attack, and it wasn't because of outrage over some video. Our gov't lied about the nature of the attack, and too many questions remain as to why efforts weren't made to rescue our people sooner.

 

[dmac1]

Mea culpa. However you said it was a paramilitary op THAT WENT BAD. No, it was an attack on our consulate and CIA base in Benghazi. We didn't instigate the attack, and it wasn't because of outrage over some video. Our gov't lied about the nature of the attack, and too many questions remain as to why efforts weren't made to rescue our people sooner.

A lot of conspiracy theorists(nuts) don't realize that there have been at least 7 congressional investigations into Benghazi and the only wrong doing was in claiming it was caused or instigated by the video AFTER the fact. Hillary had nothing to do with the followup, she wasn't able to authorize force. Obama requested an increase in security funding in his budget request, and got nothing from the republicans. The miracle is that only four people died, meaning something stopped the attack. If Stephens had been at the embassy instead of outpost in Benghazi, he would be alive. Why he was there is unreleased. CIA may have something to do with it.

 

[Oldfart]

Just because somebody disagrees with you does not make them angry. This is a conversation about politics. Its gonna get heated. But your very good at dodging questions and generalizing people as "miserables". You sound like a fool. Trumps cabinet is all bankers and ceo's. It couldn't be more pro corporation anti worker if he tried. Its starting look like he has a hidden agenda.

Pro corporation anti worker? Sure, these guys are movers and shakers. That is the kind of leaders I want. Did you want him to appoint career politicians? Did you want him to appoint Larry from the gas station? You want to have success, you hire successful people. I don't want failures running the country.

 

[dmac1]

Trump was chosen by the Russian oligarchy. When McConnell was asked to have the senate investigate, he declined while his wife got a job in Trump's cabinet. Now Trump is nominating some of the wealthiest to run the gov't just like the way it is done in Russia. People in Labor who have lived all their lives to cut labor costs, people in the EPA who have been antagonistic towards the environment. Oil is again in charge of Energy, even though alternative energy has 40 times the number of workers, and is the future. When Trump said he wanted to take the country back, he meant back to the early 1900's for labor, back to the sixties for oil and coal, and back to the 50s for the environment. Look for rivers to be on fire again under Trump, while oil companies pump their waste into our rivers and caol pumps into our skies until you can see the air you are breathing hundreds of miles away.

 

[Oldfart]

Trump was chosen by the Russian oligarchy. When McConnell was asked to have the senate investigate, he declined while his wife got a job in Trump's cabinet. Now Trump is nominating some of the wealthiest to run the gov't just like the way it is done in Russia. People in Labor who have lived all their lives to cut labor costs, people in the EPA who have been antagonistic towards the environment. Oil is again in charge of Energy, even though alternative energy has 40 times the number of workers, and is the future. When Trump said he wanted to take the country back, he meant back to the early 1900's for labor, back to the sixties for oil and coal, and back to the 50s for the environment. Look for rivers to be on fire again under Trump, while oil companies pump their waste into our rivers and caol pumps into our skies until you can see the air you are breathing hundreds of miles away.

LOL!!!!

 

[vantexan]

A lot of conspiracy theorists(nuts) don't realize that there have been at least 7 congressional investigations into Benghazi and the only wrong doing was in claiming it was caused or instigated by the video AFTER the fact. Hillary had nothing to do with the followup, she wasn't able to authorize force. Obama requested an increase in security funding in his budget request, and got nothing from the republicans. The miracle is that only four people died, meaning something stopped the attack. If Stephens had been at the embassy instead of outpost in Benghazi, he would be alive. Why he was there is unreleased. CIA may have something to do with it.

Request after request by Hillary's ambassador for more security ignored. And it took way too long to get them relief while under attack. You telling us that she wasn't aware it was under attack? What's nuts is defending her. There was a movie out earlier this year depicting exactly what happened. The defenders of the CIA installation were pros with a highly defensible position. The attack ultimately stopped because they killed a lot more of the attackers.

 

[vantexan]

Trump was chosen by the Russian oligarchy. When McConnell was asked to have the senate investigate, he declined while his wife got a job in Trump's cabinet. Now Trump is nominating some of the wealthiest to run the gov't just like the way it is done in Russia. People in Labor who have lived all their lives to cut labor costs, people in the EPA who have been antagonistic towards the environment. Oil is again in charge of Energy, even though alternative energy has 40 times the number of workers, and is the future. When Trump said he wanted to take the country back, he meant back to the early 1900's for labor, back to the sixties for oil and coal, and back to the 50s for the environment. Look for rivers to be on fire again under Trump, while oil companies pump their waste into our rivers and caol pumps into our skies until you can see the air you are breathing hundreds of miles away.

How was the latest excursion on "The Rainbow Warrior?" Alternative energy has 40 times the workers? Seriously? Scaremongering tactics only believed by conspiracy nuts.

 

[vantexan]

Pro corporation anti worker? Sure, these guys are movers and shakers. That is the kind of leaders I want. Did you want him to appoint career politicians? Did you want him to appoint Larry from the gas station? You want to have success, you hire successful people. I don't want failures running the country.

They keep talking about qualifications. Obama was a community organizer. Look what that got us.

 

[bacha29]

You're right, it was 2012. I know that, had a brain fart. Doesn't change the fact that this administration outright lied about Benghazi to cover their butts. I didn't go off topic, I responded to misinformation. No one is cutting SS. Medicare needs revamping however.

So no one is touching Social Security huh? Take a look at the plan to "save" Social Security introduced yesterday by Republican Congressman Sam Johnson of Texas head of the House subcommittee on Social Security. To summarize the plan Anybody under the age of 49 will have the retirement age raised to 69. Steep penalties for early retirement tougher to qualify for disability payout lower COLA bases increases ended replaced with some obscure measurement that all but eliminates increases. Rejoice.This is what you people wanted.Combine this with Ryan's plan to "reform" Medicare then what it all means is the working class will work until the day theydie.

 

[vantexan]

So no one is touching Social Security huh? Take a look at the plan to "save" Social Security introduced yesterday by Republican Congressman Sam Johnson of Texas head of the House subcommittee on Social Security. To summarize the plan Anybody under the age of 49 will have the retirement age raised to 69. Steep penalties for early retirement tougher to qualify for disability payout lower COLA bases increases ended replaced with some obscure measurement that all but eliminates increases. Rejoice.This is what you people wanted.Combine this with Ryan's plan to "reform" Medicare then what it all means is the working class will work until the day theydie.

You can't spend and spend and spend and spend and spend and spend and spend and spend and spend and spend and spend and spend and spend and not have it come back and bite you some day. Welcome to fiscal responsibility.

 

[dmac1]

Request after request by Hillary's ambassador for more security ignored. And it took way too long to get them relief while under attack. You telling us that she wasn't aware it was under attack? What's nuts is defending her. There was a movie out earlier this year depicting exactly what happened. The defenders of the CIA installation were pros with a highly defensible position. The attack ultimately stopped because they killed a lot more of the attackers.

This is the problem with you. You ignore what was actually posted and make up something you wanted me to say.

I never said that Hillary was unaware, she never said that, no one did. What I said was that she didn't have any authority to order any of our armed forces- or CIA or NSA personnel- into the fight. The secretary of state doesn't have that authority no matter what your little right wing conspiracists tell you.

You need to learn to think. It isn't always about what you think you know. You need to learn to figure out whether what you think you know even makes sense. Expecting Hillary to send in the calvary is just plain stupid. Our government has never given the Secretary of State any authority over any armed forces. Geez- are all Texans as ignorant of the facts as you appear to be??????

 

[Route 66]

Expecting Hillary to send in the calvary is just plain stupid. Our government has never given the Secretary of State any authority over any armed forces. Geez- are all Texans as ignorant of the facts as you appear to be??????

Calvary????....as in the place where Jesus was crucified???