Abortion

Catatonic

Nine Lives
It was my minor in college.

As such, I'm continuously amazed by Christians and Muslims alike.

But, we're leaving out Buddists, Zoroastrians, Wiccans...

I'm only half-joking.

We live in a world that has been dominated for the last 2,000 years by an incomplete and misinterpreted text about a man who was likely closer to Gautama than anything else.

Paul, the salesman, ruined it for everyone...or saved it. Depends on your perspective.

I wonder, do people realize that there were multiple versions of Christianity even before Christ was born?

And after Christ was born, there were still competing versions of the faith?

I know I don't have to tell you this, but the winning version of Christianity that we have today was just one of a myriad of potential outcomes.

And then there's Muhammad.

All of this goes 'south' rather quickly...
I sorta thought so.
I would say Jesus was more like Buddha ... but you say potato and I say tomato.
 

BrownArmy

Well-Known Member
There is a God ... whether it be a deity or Science that discovers the rules of God.

I disagree.

The Universe that surrounds us is 'God'.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if we hadn't grown up here, against all odds, in a position in the solar system where we were sheltered by Jupiter, in the best possible situation for complex life to grow.

The fact that we are here, typing online to each other, means only this:

Complex life evolved on our particular planet.

If it hadn't done so, we wouldn't be here to debate the case.

We reside in a solar system in a galaxy which is part of a much larger grouping of galaxies called the 'Milky Way'.

There are trillions upon trillions of galaxies in the Universe.

You say, maybe 'science' will find god?

Look at the Hubble telescope images.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
I disagree.

The Universe that surrounds us is 'God'.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if we hadn't grown up here, against all odds, in a position in the solar system where we were sheltered by Jupiter, in the best possible situation for complex life to grow.

The fact that we are here, typing online to each other, means only this:

Complex life evolved on our particular planet.

If it hadn't done so, we wouldn't be here to debate the case.

We reside in a solar system in a galaxy which is part of a much larger grouping of galaxies called the 'Milky Way'.

There are trillions upon trillions of galaxies in the Universe.

You say, maybe 'science' will find god?

Look at the Hubble telescope images.

God is Science, Science is God.
Scientists are sea urchins.
Religious scholars are armadillos.
 
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DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
Abortion was not a problem in agrarian based societies.
Every available body was needed to grow crops ... the more babies the better.
And as always, male was preferred to female.
It wasn't a problem?
I'd say it isn't a problem now....
If you're suggesting it didn't happen in Jesus' time you're obviously wrong.
But you're right, it wasn't a problem. Still isn't imo.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
It wasn't a problem?
I'd say it isn't a problem now....
If you're suggesting it didn't happen in Jesus' time you're obviously wrong.
But you're right, it wasn't a problem. Still isn't imo.
I agree.
It's not a problem unless the abortion is forced on a woman or denied to a woman.
Then, it's a problem.
Usually by grossly inept old men trying to make others do what they want.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
It wasn't a problem?
I'd say it isn't a problem now....
If you're suggesting it didn't happen in Jesus' time you're obviously wrong.
But you're right, it wasn't a problem. Still isn't imo.
I wasn't.
The need for abortions is greater today because women want to better themselves which means going to college and not having babies until their late 20's or so.
In agrarian societies, the more babies, the better off a family was.
No formal education was needed to be a good farmer.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
I agree.
It's not a problem unless the abortion is forced on a woman or denied to a woman.
Then, it's a problem.
Usually by grossly inept old men trying to make others do what they want.
I guess the bigger point is that abortion did in fact happen in Jesus' time, yet we have no words he spoke on the issue. No one even made anything up and threw it in the mix when they were writing and rewriting history over the years. Curious.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
I guess the bigger point is that abortion did in fact happen in Jesus' time, yet we have no words he spoke on the issue. No one even made anything up and threw it in the mix when they were writing it after he died. Curious?
Sounds plausible ... however, I am not curious.

Also, keep in mind, the writings of Paul especially, were added to and redacted by scribes and scholars in the 3rd and 4th centuries.
This was especially true in the times after Constantine's Nicene Council around 324 AD.
The goal of the Catholic Church under Constantine was for all scripture to be consistent and support the morays and moralities of the 4th century Eastern Roman Empire.
 
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