There's no way you can qualify that assertion. DHL invested billions in assets when they bought Airborne and failed for the same reason Amazon may. DHL already owned and brokered fleets of jets that Amazon doesn't even scratch. Amazon's footprint is in the USA whereas DHL's is and was much larger from the start.DHL didn’t put 1/1000 the effort into it as Amazon has.
There's no way you can qualify that assertion. DHL invested billions in assets when they bought Airborne and failed for the same reason Amazon may. DHL already owned and brokered fleets of jets that Amazon doesn't even scratch. Amazon's footprint is in the USA whereas DHL's is and was much larger from the start.View attachment 302038View attachment 302040
So let's see what happens with the great training (4 days by their own admission) their drivers receive coupled with their accident history and pressure to do the impossible in the future. Obviously their motto is to saturate the playing field as quickly as they can but in the long run if quantity trumps quality and their workforce gets the unbridled pressure that comes with that environment, without equal compensation, only time will tell. By what I've read, their contractor's safety track record is pretty horrific.
If the Spartans had not been sold out by their own people they would have withstood their last onslaught because with the right plan quality and continually honing skills that are proven over multiple decades will solidify UPS's footprint. Common sense must prevail in upcoming contracts because like the Spartans, the greed of a few (that vote) will sell out the bright future of many. That's what will hurt ups more than anything imo.
I had two days training and not four decades ago. But in the last twenty years the stop counts on these routes have increased 20-40% with the driver being pressured to complete the work in less time.What's this 4 day training thing? I had 3 maybe (pkg) (2 feeder). And safety? That will come later after the complete take over.
Now UPS? Can a unionized, high wage paying company(in these modern times) survive and thrive? Most haven't(see LTL freight).
Even though I will depend 100% on my pension and SSI, I expect for both to be cut or eliminated in my lifetime.
What do you think a solution would be? I agree with you 100%. I've always said that UPS makes alot of money, but would make a hell of alot more money if they would listen sometimes.I agree that UPS is it's own worst enemy. In their attempt you use technology to streamline the business, what they have really done is taken the decision making away from the people that are running the operations. The idea that someone in an ivory tower making one size fits all decisions for all operations is ridiculously short sighted. Managers and supervisors have no authority to adapt and problem solve. The nerds in the ivory tower come up with operating plans that make them look like geniuses on paper and save the company money, while conveniently leaving out variables that don't support their plan.
I watch the company throw away piles of money everyday on bad plans. The saying that comes to mind is, stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime. All of the management people know it, their hands are tied. There may be some really good, talented management folks around us with great ideas and skills, but we will never know. They are forced to be mindless drones that are beaten up for critical thinking or independent thought.
Still, don't know if Amazon is a big enough threat to take on the Big Brown Machine in a significant way.
What do you think a solution would be? I agree with you 100%. I've always said that UPS makes alot of money, but would make a hell of alot more money if they would listen sometimes.
I've posted this before (so don't some of you get your panties in a wad) but WAY back when I first started in 1971 there was a 2 page story in a magazine called US Businesses News or Time or News Week or one of those types of rags called "What Makes Brown Run? It was basically a glowing report about how UPS was such a well oiled machine and what a great workforce they had. The whole article was nothing but GOOD news about UPS. The last paragraph said---The only way UPS could possibly fail was through BAD management----it looks like whoever wrote that article had a crystal ball.
That $1000 is nothing when you add in all the extras like miles, extended paid day, 9-5 bonus payouts, later pickup processing times, etc.I was a part time sup back in the 90s before we went public. I was just a kid, but back then I was taught to treat my area of responsibility like it was my own business. Be efficient, treat people right, etc. I was given goals and standards, but I was also given the freedom to decide how to run my little part of the business. I worked with a lot of smart people who went on to be career management people. I was shown early plans of what, at the time were called "Hub of the Future" and "Center of the Future". That solidified I would not go into full-time management. The idea that all decisions would be made from a central location in a division or district and carried out by local management, reducing the number of operations management by more than half. It never got fully realized, but the central decision making part and consolidation of regions, districts, and centers stuck.
I think they should give operations decisions back to the operators to adjust and plan in real time with tangible information.
An example we have all seen: Cut 2 preloaders because Preload PPH is the flavor of the month and we must hit it at all costs. So we save $150 on 2 preloaders, while 45 drivers sit on the clock for a half hour at their overtime rate waiting to leave the building at a cost of well over $1000. It's really inexcusable, but that is the type crap these idiots do everyday and the operations people are powerless to push back, even if they can make the case that it is a bad business decision.
When I get together with my career management friends, it's obvious to both me and them that I made the right choice to be a driver. Cause for me, none of that crap matters when I hit the road. Just me and a bunch a packages and I get compensated for every minute I give to this company.
Do they get full no cost benefits paid (or any) holidays, paid vacations, or pension?
First, I'm not "you guys" so chill on the fluff. Second, the Amazon center that opened within an hour of my house started at $15/he for 8 hr days. That's $3 more? Not until the pandemic did I hear of any significant increase due to the need to fill their bloated volume due to the pandemic.They get insurance and paid time off. Their starting rate is higher than ours and they also were getting hazard pay on top of it, making $3 more an hour than preload.
Part-time pension is always touted here like some kind of amazing perk when it's convenient but the reality is that it's completely irrelevant to 90% of preloaders at UPS, who will never see a dime of it. What do you think the percentage of part-timers is who actually make it to 5 years? Most of you guys goof on it in other threads and even admit that it'll be first on the chopping block. But when it's time to talk about what Amazon is doing you suddenly bring it up like it's some golden goose for part-timers.
I don't see where this idea comes from that UPS completely outclasses Amazon in part-time compensation.