Better pay, Stronger language?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by kingOFchester, May 1, 2012.


What do you want in the new contract? Stronger language or better pay?

  1. Stronger language

    14 vote(s)
  2. better pay

    10 vote(s)
  1. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    If you had to choose between the two, which do you want in the 13' contract?

    Better pay
    Or stronger language for the Brotherhood?
  2. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Better pay.... The language for the most part is fine just needs to be enforced. As long as our fellow MEsters continue to bend over and not file and as long as when things are filed on our union leaders are making side deals to throw out said grievance all the language in the world won't help us.
  3. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Active Member

    Really? I was almost disgusted after reading all the great ideas last contract that got completely butchered when translated into "contract language".

    ie... It shouldnt take more than a couple sentences to effectively write out 9.5 language. The contract would have been WAY less disputable if they just committed to simple direct sentences like: "any full-time driver can opt-in to a 9.5 hr day and recieve $90/hr for all hours worked over 9.5 hours". Its only when they drag out ideas like this with lots of language that it gives UPS ammunition to fight against it.

    for 2013 I would like to see simple direct language in the contract and a union that is more proactive in enforcing it.
  4. Jackburton

    Jackburton Gone Fish'n

    Pay. Language that is black and white now is already a fight.
  5. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    Clear cut language.

    I can always get more OT.
  6. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

  7. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    Better pay.
    I'd love to have both, but push comes to shove I took this job for the money not the contract language.
  8. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    Better pay.
  9. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Better pay for part timers.
  10. anonymous4

    anonymous4 Active Member

  11. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    You want stronger language? I happen to think that you are a ******* *******.

    Oh, you meant contract language--my bad.
  12. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

  13. rocket man

    rocket man Well-Known Member

    more paid option days
  14. rocket man

    rocket man Well-Known Member

    think again, money is good but its not everything.
  15. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    Pay is measurable and tangible.
    These intangible terms and conditions are hard to enforce ... stronger language means little.
    The one thing that gets business's attention is money.
    That's why nothing else is negotiated until the financial package is settled.

    The above is not specific to UPS but to all companies with union workforces.
  16. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    Pension and H&W. Pay next and language a distant 3rd.
  17. Jackburton

    Jackburton Gone Fish'n

    100% agree. You can always mince words and make something written look like something different. When it comes to pay, there's no mistaking what's owed to who and when.