wilberforce15
Well-Known Member
Kinda sorta. Definitely moreso than today.
Buffalo Shooting
- Thread starter DELACROIX
- Start date
TearsInRain
IE boogeyman
also the melting pot argument is total crap
previous waves of immigration absolutely changed our values and politics: the irish, the germans, and italians each group left indelible marks on the country
the difference is we shut off each of those groups after 5-10 years of immigration and then spent decades assimilating them
so the idea that we can have 60+ years of immigration from countries whose values are TOTALLY different than ours, from cultures TOTALLY different than ours, not shut the valve off, but still assimilate them WITHOUT changing our values is totally DELUSIONAL
if you want to see the future of the US, it's Brazil; a multiethnic, multicultural WRECK of a nation state; corrupt beyond belief with insane levels of crime and income inequality, and always 5 years and a good economic downturn away from devolving into anarchy, civil war, or just a straight up dictatorship
previous waves of immigration absolutely changed our values and politics: the irish, the germans, and italians each group left indelible marks on the country
the difference is we shut off each of those groups after 5-10 years of immigration and then spent decades assimilating them
so the idea that we can have 60+ years of immigration from countries whose values are TOTALLY different than ours, from cultures TOTALLY different than ours, not shut the valve off, but still assimilate them WITHOUT changing our values is totally DELUSIONAL
if you want to see the future of the US, it's Brazil; a multiethnic, multicultural WRECK of a nation state; corrupt beyond belief with insane levels of crime and income inequality, and always 5 years and a good economic downturn away from devolving into anarchy, civil war, or just a straight up dictatorship
wilberforce15
Well-Known Member
Folks, this isn't very hard.
If I move to Mexico for economic opportunity, do I become Mexican at heart? Am I going to teach my kids to love Mexico more than America?
Nope. I'm going to teach my kids that I'm an American living in Mexico for opportunity, and tell my kid that he's still an American.
They are doing the same thing I would do.
If I move to Mexico for economic opportunity, do I become Mexican at heart? Am I going to teach my kids to love Mexico more than America?
Nope. I'm going to teach my kids that I'm an American living in Mexico for opportunity, and tell my kid that he's still an American.
They are doing the same thing I would do.
What they are is the rich and powerful there hog the wealth for themselves and are willing to kill anyone that threatens the status quo. On the other hand industrialization in Mexico to serve the U.S. market has brought around a lot of positive change. There are U.S. companies all over the place there. Mexico has developed enough to where the majority of Hispanics coming to the U.S. illegally are now from Central America, not Mexico. Still plenty from Mexico though. Even the U.S. has close to 20% poverty and Mexico's is about 40%.
Thebrownblob
Well-Known Member
If it makes our system a farce why did Reagan do it?
Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986
As many as 3 million illegals were allowed to stay.(for the record I’m not disagreeing with you completely, and I like Reagan in most things)
Thebrownblob
Well-Known Member
I Also am part Mexican. Most of the older first generation That immigrated are very conservative. Work hard get ahead types. Completely opposite of the younger Hispanic generation.
No meaningful difference? Legal immigrants have rights and documentation. Illegal immigrants get phony documents and don't have protections if caught. Don't benefit from the Social Security system. And importing this many this fast means billions spent supporting them. Means not properly vetting them like legal immigrants which means the criminal element gets in too.
wilberforce15
Well-Known Member
And 30 years from now, nobody cares if Pappy had papers.
His 30 grandkids are all citizens and are outvoting you, whether Pappy had papers or not.
So it makes no difference.
The difference is those people were already there and Reagan did the humane thing. When the restrictions are lifted on letting people in without covid concerns later this month it's estimated there will be over half a million a month flooding in. That's not counting the over two million that have already come in since Biden took office. He's turned our system into a farce. Half million plus a month. Over 6 million a year. And we don't have any idea who most of them are in terms of criminal records.
Thebrownblob
Well-Known Member
So it’s still a farce no? Then and now. As usual whoever’s in charge does determines the speed of the farce, democrats generally put their foot on the pedal.
Depends where you live I guess. In South Texas they're conservative and work hard. Saw a lot of Hispanics working in factories in California too.
Which Reagan had nothing to do with.
Thebrownblob
Well-Known Member
Of course he did, It was his act, he could’ve said no. And thrown in our face every time the subject is brought up.
Thebrownblob
Well-Known Member
So does that mean if Trump is reelected he’s going to do the “humane thing” and allow them all to stay?
That was 40 years ago. He did the right thing. Want an eye opener? In 1950 El Paso had a population of 150,000 and was 80% white. And the remaining 20% included thousands of blacks too. The greater El Paso area today has over 800,000 population and is 80% Hispanic. The border was porous long before and after Reagan. He just did the right thing in addressing the millions who were here and weren't going to be removed. But we should've had a wall a long time ago and that is where every president has failed us except Trump.
Are you wanting to see 20 million illegals rounded up? Put up the wall, enforce it, but those who are here, and are here because our leadership allowed it, stay. Except any who commit a crime.
Thebrownblob
Well-Known Member
Nope just pointing out the nonsense of your ideological idea that there’s a difference between left and right, there holding hands, One side says “no”the when they’re in power, other side lets it happen, and then decide they have to be “humane”. Funny you think a wall would’ve mattered with Joe Biden he would’ve just open the gates either way. This is the problem with complete and total allegiance to party. They both love illegal immigration for different reasons
Last edited:
Notice I said build a wall and enforce it. You want to put words in my mouth because you know that ultimately the objection to Hispanics as a group is hatred. Both sides have let us down on this problem. America first means America for all citizens including Hispanics. And doing everything possible to control the flow at the border because even the biggest ships can be swamped. We should have also been developing the Americas instead of putting all of our eggs in the China basket. We had the one president willing to try and fix a number of issues but people in Washington of all political stripes have gotten rich with the status quo and weren't going to let him mess up their good deal. Orange man bad indeed.
Thebrownblob
Well-Known Member
You put your own words in your mouth my friend. The wall does nothing if it’s not enforced is exactly right and it will not be enforced anytime there’s a democrat in office so again it does nothing so every 4 to 8 years we are giving amnesty because you say it’s humanitarian. Put some real restrictions and penalties for people who cross illegally like never being able to vote or never being able to have Social Security and we can talk. Guess what it will never happen because both sides like illegal immigration.
