From what I read on Brown Cafe, it seems our Collective Agreement up here in Canada differs quit a bit from the States. Ours basically focuses on trying to get as much hours as possible for the employees. I can see why a union would want this, but there really isn't anything in there for the employees that don't want the overtime. My question, has anyone done much for greivances regarding OT? What is excess overtime and what is the determined amount of time you have to work for it? National labour law states we can refuse OT after 48 hours per week. Thats close to the 9.5 hours we hear our Americans co-workers speak of all the time, yet we have no 9.5 language in our contract. Right now, our center has terrible management and the only way they can get all the packages delivered due to their bad dispatching or lack of it, or missort meets, intl air meets or returning to building for late trailers etc...long list - is to work the drivers longer. There is no pressure on them at all to manage the paid day. The only rule seems to be to keep us under 12 which is foolish because that's a punchout time of 10 p.m. They flip flop regarding how long we can stay out for, over peak we were not supposed to be out past 9, now they are saying it isn't so. I punch out between 8 and 9 with a break, but I know several new employees are out till 10 and they work through their break which isn't right. Another question. We have a safety co-ordinator that is a full time driver. He is also our Union Stewart. If we have too many drivers they usually flip him into doing in center work, or in center work for morning and part time work for the rest of the day. He gets to follow drivers around all the time too, pointing out any safety violations he might see to management. He doesn't want overtime either and gets his guaranteed 8 without O.T. all the time, yet we are told we need to work a minimum of 9 hours. He gets all the benefits of a FT driver but isn't working for it, yet management seem to protect him and he is pretty selfish about it. He even has a flex start time. Our union rep, while frowns upon it seems to not really care either. We can greive regarding seniority for the right to OT, but not the right to not get OT. There is virtually no greivances in our center for fear of harassment. Everyone wants an earlier punch out time, but fears it will result in an even later punch in time. I know we need to get tough and it will probably get worse before it gets better. Does any Canadians have similar problems with how our Collective Agreement allows us to do this? No, I'm not union bashing, I just think the Agreement should have been worded better to represent all of its memebers a bit better.