No what I was saying is DOT doesn't differentiate between driving or helping, you can't be on the clock over hours it's a HOS violation.(they calculate from punch to punch, or collective hours if you work more than one job) For Example, say you work 5hours making donuts in the AM(4-9am), then punch in at UPS and drive for 10hrs(930 to 2030 1hr break in there somewhere) you are in violation of the 14hr rule. Please correct me if I'm wrong.