Clinton unveils mandatory health care insurance plan
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beatupbrown
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Wow you guys have gotten way of topic .Lets stay on topic 47 million people do not have health insurance most are not dead beat or living beyond there means .The health system in the
USA needs major operation.
USA needs major operation.
diesel96
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I see how you guys think..it's ok to invest in Iraq's children at 10/20 billion plus a MONTH but to invest in our American children at 10/20 billon a YEAR is an joke because you don't like Hillary's fat calves....oh yeah, thats a strong argument
. You guys remind me of a bunch of college football analysts deciding who's in the top ten at the start of the season!
BTW...It's only and idea under proposal..relax righties.
. You guys remind me of a bunch of college football analysts deciding who's in the top ten at the start of the season!BTW...It's only and idea under proposal..relax righties.
DS
Fenderbender
Wow! that freaks me out
each child born in the USA already owes $27,000.Up here from what I read,our national debt is a mere $800 billion...a lot less than the 3 1/2 trillion the USA owes.What I cant figure out,is why our money is worth anything at all. In fact how could a responsible government get so far in debt?A sixteen year old girl with dads visa card would make more responsible decisions than this. As far as Hillary's idea to start a $5000 trust fund for every American citizen goes,we also have politicians make ridiculous promises they never intend to put in place just to get elected.
We just voted today,I voted progressive conservative this time.
I've strayed from the NDP because they screwed up royally when they got in way back when,my usual choice of voting liberal has been poopooed by self serving liars,and my indifference to global warming put the green party to the bottom of my list.The marijuana party sounds like a lot of fun but I dont think they are qualified to run a country.
each child born in the USA already owes $27,000.Up here from what I read,our national debt is a mere $800 billion...a lot less than the 3 1/2 trillion the USA owes.What I cant figure out,is why our money is worth anything at all. In fact how could a responsible government get so far in debt?A sixteen year old girl with dads visa card would make more responsible decisions than this. As far as Hillary's idea to start a $5000 trust fund for every American citizen goes,we also have politicians make ridiculous promises they never intend to put in place just to get elected.We just voted today,I voted progressive conservative this time.
I've strayed from the NDP because they screwed up royally when they got in way back when,my usual choice of voting liberal has been poopooed by self serving liars,and my indifference to global warming put the green party to the bottom of my list.The marijuana party sounds like a lot of fun but I dont think they are qualified to run a country.
moreluck
golden ticket member
Diesel......it's the mass migration that an offer like that will bring.....We have enough aliens here. Now, with Hillary's idea, every prego. in Mex. will hustle across the border so their kid can collect the $5000.
It's a ridiculous idea. It's up to parents to put aside $ for kids for college....it's not the government"s job to spend MY money that way.
Everything the Dems. propose makes people lazier and lazier. "Please take care of me I'm so helpless"....I'm sick of that mentality!! Get a friend'n YOB !!
That's not a typo!
I hate it.
It's a ridiculous idea. It's up to parents to put aside $ for kids for college....it's not the government"s job to spend MY money that way.
Everything the Dems. propose makes people lazier and lazier. "Please take care of me I'm so helpless"....I'm sick of that mentality!! Get a friend'n YOB !!
That's not a typo!
I hate it.
Overpaid Union Thug
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I'd be willing to bet that most of them, or at least a good portion of them, in fact, ARE living beyond their means. I'm not saying that all of them are like that but I'm sure an extremely large percentage of them could afford health insurance if they would have just made better financial decisions in the past.
av8torntn
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I see how you guys think..it's ok to invest in Iraq's children at 10/20 billion plus a MONTH but to invest in our American children at 10/20 billon a YEAR is an joke because you don't like Hillary's fat calves....oh yeah, thats a strong argument
BTW...It's only and idea under proposal..relax righties.
No it is just that I like the Constitution. The government is supposed to provide national security but I still cannot find where they should make me pay for your health care. I still say if you want to provide people with health care do it out of your pocket not mine. There have been many generations of immigrants who have come to America for the opportunity to succeed. You want to take away that chance by raising taxes and keeping people dependent on the government with these insane social programs. These insanely high tax rates you guys want do not harm the rich they have already made their money. There was a time not long ago when a person like myself would go to work for a company like UPS because I wanted health insurance. I had many friends work their way through college as a waiter making more money than myself. That was their choice. Life is full of choices. I wanted insurance and weekends off. I traded more money for this. If you make a bad choice why do you want me to pay for it? Do not tell me that someone cannot work at UPS for three hours a day. We have a man in our hub that looks homeless and Friday I saw a forty year old three hundred pound woman loading a trailer. I have seen them hire people with disabilities over the years. We are not the only place to get insurance. Again if you choose not to have insurance why should I buy it for you? Were do you get this right? Here is a novel idea if you choose to have children why do you not choose to take care of them? Why do you want me to take care of them?
Oh boy...look, more government giveaways!!
Hillary says every baby born in the United States (I guess that includes anchor babies) should get $5000.00.
WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday that every child born in the United States should get a $5,000 "baby bond" from the government to help pay for future costs of college or buying a home.
I hope this is retroactive!!!
Clinton, her party's front-runner in the 2008 race, made the suggestion during a forum hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus.
"I like the idea of giving every baby born in America a $5,000 account that will grow over time, so that when that young person turns 18 if they have finished high school they will be able to access it to go to college or maybe they will be able to make that downpayment on their first home," she said.
The New York senator did not offer any estimate of the total cost of such a program or how she would pay for it. Approximately 4 million babies are born each year in the United States.
A... That would be 20 billion a year..I know we can just raise taxes for the middle class and make sure all the poor, illegal and lazy parents of babies get their fair share!!
Clinton said such an account program would help people get back to the tradition of savings that she remembers as a child, and has become harder to accomplish in the face of rising college and housing costs.
Gee..I thought it was harder back in the old days when our parents and grandparents had to walk 20 miles in the snow in bare feet just to get to school...
One way of building a stronger economy, she said, is "more savings, starting with the so-called baby bonds idea where every person born in this country would be given that kind of account because we want to make an investment in America's young people."
She argued that wealthy people "get to have all kinds of tax incentives to save, but most people can't afford to do that."
The proposal was met with enthusiastic applause at an event aimed to encourage young people to excel and engage in politics.
"I think it's a wonderful idea," said Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, an Ohio Democrat who attended the event and has already endorsed Clinton. "Every child born in the United States today owes $27,000 on the national debt, why not let them come get $5,000 to grow until their 18?"
Blake Zeff, a spokesman for the senator's campaign, said a baby bonds program "is not a firm policy proposal but an idea under consideration."
Britain launched a similar program in January 2005, handing out vouchers worth hundreds of dollars each to parents with children born after Sept. 1, 2002.
After hearing about this I ran out to the store and got some fertiltiy drugs...I'm hoping for sextuplets...A cool $30k...Yeah babies!!
My God and this woman is running for president, What's next..free cars??
Hey Braze, I'm excited to have you back posting again. Missed you. Anyhow.... Hmmmmm..... quote, "fertilty drugs.....I'm hoping for sextuplets". Curious, you wouldn't happen to need...you know... a Donor. We could have alot of fun. LOL I just couldn't pass that up. All in fun. Love ya, Area 43.
LMAO, Hey More, that reminds me of a Joke my dad told me. Hey are those your thighs or did your panty hose explode. ( ;
moreluck
golden ticket member
D...I don't think I "jump the gun".
When someone like Hillary (or anyone) puts out an idea or plan I always visualize what the consequences might be.
I also do that with my own plans & actions.......which is why I've never been arrested or put in jail.
List of things to do before I die:
walk on moon
try drugs
Get arrested.
There, it's on my list now.
When someone like Hillary (or anyone) puts out an idea or plan I always visualize what the consequences might be.
I also do that with my own plans & actions.......which is why I've never been arrested or put in jail.
List of things to do before I die:
walk on moon
try drugs
Get arrested.
There, it's on my list now.
av8torntn
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Poor diesel so we are now not to believe the democratic candidates when they say they want to raise our taxes to pay for more social programs. Somehow you can now read their minds and you can tell they are all liars. That should be a good enough reason for you to not support them.
It is people like you that I feel are a big problem with our country. You say you want to rely on the government for social security and Medicare. I say let me plan for my own retirement. All you are doing is taking away opportunity from generations down the road by leaving them with your retirement and medical bills. I am willing to continue paying into social security to pay for the people living off me right now and not take any benefits from it as long as my children do not have to pay into it. I am an adult I do not need the government to "save" for my retirement or medical care. I know you feel helpless but if you try to do something for yourself you may be surprised what you can accomplish. Everyone wants something for nothing but the world does not work that way. I still say if you want insurance go buy it or find a job that will give it to you as part of your compensation. I work hard for my money and I choose not to provide your health care.
It is people like you that I feel are a big problem with our country. You say you want to rely on the government for social security and Medicare. I say let me plan for my own retirement. All you are doing is taking away opportunity from generations down the road by leaving them with your retirement and medical bills. I am willing to continue paying into social security to pay for the people living off me right now and not take any benefits from it as long as my children do not have to pay into it. I am an adult I do not need the government to "save" for my retirement or medical care. I know you feel helpless but if you try to do something for yourself you may be surprised what you can accomplish. Everyone wants something for nothing but the world does not work that way. I still say if you want insurance go buy it or find a job that will give it to you as part of your compensation. I work hard for my money and I choose not to provide your health care.
brazenbrown
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Your un-Christian like sleazy behavior is a concern, you best repent and keep it clean in the future..
I can see by your new avatar that the rough and tumble cat has become more aggressive!
Save it for your significant other!!
diesel96
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Hey Av8...Don't worry, I carry my own weight finanancially and with health coverage now and for my future, thx for caring..(not). I get a good laugh listening to your bravado stating your tired of people living off you, and everyone wants something for nothing. As if your measely little salary will make a world of difference.... I say it is people like you that ARE the big problem with this country supporting a regime thats castatrophically leading us to another depression (not to mention WWIII). Whether you agree with or not this country needs a certain degree of social programs to maintain equality, health, fairness, financial stability, clean air and longevity to be passed on to future generations. That selfish attitude will diminish as you get older or if you get ill or are unable to work and you'll after to live off social programs and that god awful VA treatment as you claim it is. And those who choose not to participate with contributions to their country's security should not benefit the advantages and perks you will recieve in times of need or retirement. Those who paid their taxes, soc sec,and medicare taxes all their life deserve the right to those benefits as they reach retirement. Thats not looking for handouts thats being rewarded for your contributions to society.
Part of being responsible since you will be recieving VA benefits,soc.sec., medicare as you get older,will be teaching future generations to pass on the torch from one generation to the other and to vote in fiscally responsible Gov't.
av8torntn
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Since my share is so small and you are so great why do you not pay my share? Or better yet let me opt out of your Marxist programs all together. It is great to know you cannot answer any questions just change your topic every time someone confronts you as normal. You can be a leech on society and live off the government (that would be myself and other taxpayers) I will let the free market reward me for my contributions or whatever you are rambling about now. You still have not come up with any responsible reason for the government to pay for your health care. Since you are so well off why is it to much to ask that you pay your own way?
And what in the world is this depression you are talking about? This economy has survived 9-11, worldcom, enron, two wars all with a fairly low tax rate very low unemployment rate and record home ownership. If we are in a depression I like it. Walk through a UPS hub one night and look at all the packages every where. Kind of hard to believe an economy in or near a depression can produce this kind of activity but since you are in North Korea where they do not even have electricity at night I can see how you may be depressed.
What is this regime that you claim that I support? Is it the United States of America? Yes I happen to believe that I live in the best country in the world. I have not been to every country but I have been to many and I support this one. What regime do you support? Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea ,France I think it is great we can feed, cloth, and protect the world. Sleep well tonight knowing there are men out there protecting your freedom or trying to free you from your regime. Oh by the way it is your beloved democratic regime that funds the war effort. And this certain degree of social programs we need is none.
And what in the world is this depression you are talking about? This economy has survived 9-11, worldcom, enron, two wars all with a fairly low tax rate very low unemployment rate and record home ownership. If we are in a depression I like it. Walk through a UPS hub one night and look at all the packages every where. Kind of hard to believe an economy in or near a depression can produce this kind of activity but since you are in North Korea where they do not even have electricity at night I can see how you may be depressed.
What is this regime that you claim that I support? Is it the United States of America? Yes I happen to believe that I live in the best country in the world. I have not been to every country but I have been to many and I support this one. What regime do you support? Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea ,France I think it is great we can feed, cloth, and protect the world. Sleep well tonight knowing there are men out there protecting your freedom or trying to free you from your regime. Oh by the way it is your beloved democratic regime that funds the war effort. And this certain degree of social programs we need is none.
Just wanted to point out that your health insurance and your (quite high) hourly wage has been procured for you by a labor union, which is anathema to most free market purists. The whole concept of labor unions (working people banding together to get a fair shake from the capitalist business magnates who believe that labor(you) is a commodity to be purchased at the lowest price possible) is based in socialism and marxism.
We've never had a true "free market" in this country, and I suspect you wouldn't much like it of we did, unless you're Donald Trump or someone of similar wealth. Or you're a big fan of unregulated child labor and the on the job injuries that result from a lack of labor laws.
There are generally three types of people who you find extolling the the wonders of the free market:
1) Ivory tower intellectuals who don't have to work for a living;
2) Working class folks who are unclear on the concept;
3) Rich people making a fortune off the labor of the afore mentioned folks.
Carry on.....
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diesel96
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I won't support any regime that spends a trillon dollars to blow the crap out of a country's infrastructure over bad intel and then repair the damage we did and claim it's to keep America safer. Meanwhile, the real bad guys were hiding in another country...BTW..one of those men protecting your freedom comes from my loins, so I don't need you to remind me to sleep well.
And that democratic regime in congress funding the war won't ever get anything passed as long as these staunch republicans won't crossover and block everything and anything put up on the table. But I believe the general public will remember these knucklehead Rep's when they try to change their tune come election year.
brazenbrown
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Capitalism (it's all down hill from here...)
Socialism
Communism
Some people never grow up! They want their Mommy & Daddy government to hold their hand all the way to the grave.
Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie more because I want what he has and you (the government) should get it for me.
Please raise taxes for the guy with the ideas because he's not sharing and I'm entitled to my fair share...just because!
Thanks for your service av8torntn and for fighting the good fight in other ways too!
av8torntn
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So now are you saying that we need government run health care because people bought home with an adjustable rate mortgage when rates were at record lows? I really think that is a stretch even for you. Maybe it is just another way to change the subject. What bad guys hiding where and health care what? Bad intel what? Lets see health care costs to much for you but you say you make enough money to take care of yourself. That is the problem. Let me throw all your code words in for you Diesel to save you some time neo con regime evil free health care no heart we need someone to take care of us environment skyrocket free speech. See I have the complete vocabulary of a democrat.
And yes I know we do not live in a completely free society. I know the government props up several industries including the health care industry. Jones give me a break. In a free market do you really think people can not band together for higher wages as long as they are more efficient? This argument that you posted is along the same lines as the women are paid less myth. If it were true why would anyone hire a man if they could get a women to do the same work for less? If things cost to much no one will buy and prices will drop. If labor brings more skills to the market they market will pay more for the labor.
Sleep well Diesel good men are out there.
And yes I know we do not live in a completely free society. I know the government props up several industries including the health care industry. Jones give me a break. In a free market do you really think people can not band together for higher wages as long as they are more efficient? This argument that you posted is along the same lines as the women are paid less myth. If it were true why would anyone hire a man if they could get a women to do the same work for less? If things cost to much no one will buy and prices will drop. If labor brings more skills to the market they market will pay more for the labor.
Sleep well Diesel good men are out there.
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