Contract talks !!!!!! STRIKE !!!!!!

kingOFchester

Well-Known Member
Our SUPS are sent help EVERY time they "train" a new driver. Our center has resorted to all training being done by drivers. SUP will go and crap all over the place the first day a new hire is out on the street, but is followed up with a driver doing the training. SUPS can't do our job, can't imagine some slug off the street figuring it out. The DIAD is rather simple to use, but for someone who doesn't know how to use it, they will find themselves with a board stuck with a signature and DR and have no clue how to get out of it. I get SUPS asking me "how do I......."
 

stink219

Well-Known Member
I just bought a new lounge chair. I say strike. Minimum of 2 weeks to start. August 1st is great to get my golden glow. I should invest in a new speedo too. Black with yellow racing stripes?
 

BrownArmy

Well-Known Member
I think youre missing the point. Its those technologies that is making them believe they can still operate. I made it clear in my posts however, that those technologies are "FLAWED" at best, and without "US" correcting the mistakes of those technologies, the company will fail.

TOS

Reread my post...we're making the same point.
 

1989

Well-Known Member
I don't plan on working at all this year. I vote to strike so that may happen....And possibly not working in future years.
 

104Feeder

Phoenix Feeder
They'll have an easy time of it, provided they can get any packages to the hubs. Amazon will be BUH BYE and that's 22% of our business. Hello 1992 volume levels!

Maybe they can save even more money and go back to bicycles.
 

Billy Boxtosser

Well-Known Member
Record profits.
Trips that I did 4 years ago are going out with 10-20% more work. Is the volume leaving, or are we doing more work with less trips?
Record profits.
Growth has been seen in our more profitable deliveries.
Record profits.
Union has given in on progression time.
Record profits.
Union has given on longer time to get health insurance.
Record profits.
Less then desirable raises for a company that has seen higher profits.
Record profits.
part timers making what they made 20 years ago.
Record profits.

Did you mention RECORD PROFITS?!?! HAHAHA
 

Billy Boxtosser

Well-Known Member
The PT's are under paid. As you stated we are not the public face, but I feel we work just as hard if not harder, only for a shorter period of time. We too are exposed to the excessive heat and humidity as well as the extreme cold of the winters all while being overly harassed and supervised by the PT Sups. That said, as a PT Preloader do I feel we should be paid the same as the FT drivers? No, but we are underpaid for what they expect us to do!

We don't drive but we do touch 3 or 4 (or 5 if your a fool) truck's worth of packages in 4-4.5 hours, putting them all in order for the driver.
 

brown_trousers

Well-Known Member
I don't plan on working at all this year. I vote to strike so that may happen....And possibly not working in future years.

Well if you dont want to work...... you dont need to strike to get that. Thats the easiest negotiation you can possibly have with UPS, just tell them you quit!
 

rudy5150

Well-Known Member
your comparing a grocery bagger to a worker at ups? really? I think the heaviest item a bagger would handle would be a 20 lb turkey once a month maybe. Plus they dont walk around and step in and out of trucks like pre loaders do with packages up to 150lbs....and most of them dont wake up at 2 in the morning for work everyday. terrible comparison!
 
And you're an advocate for the union? A 2.5 million package a DAY increase for FEDEX and it isn't even squat? Please help me and others understand the logic expressed in your post.. How many more union jobs would there be if UPS delivered that 2.5 million packages per day that FEDEX took from them? I know for a fact that UPS drivers work harder and are better trained but FEDEX is taking these packages with an inferior workforce as described by you and you seem fine with that?:sick:
You would understand better if you actually worked at ups and lived it instead of operating a web site. We made our name United Parcel SERVICE from actual service because we had people who had ACTUALLY done the job. Now we have people with experience like you.
 

5th Wheel

Member
AMEN!

First of all, I think drivers are worth every penny and should remain well paid and the highest paid in the industry.

I hope (and fully expect) a contract that both sides agree to.

But....

People here can rattle sabres about a strike all you like. Its no different than an ignorant manager talking about firing employees over stupid issues.

Here are a few facts......

In 2001, FedEx ground delivered 1.5 million packages per day. They now deliver over 4 million packages per day. That is 2.5 million additional packages. That's 267% more than 2001.

In 2001 UPS ground (U.S) delivered 10.3 million packages per day. Now it is 11 million packages per day. That's 700 thousand additional packages. That's 6.7% more than 2001.

Fedex has grown their ground business by 1.8 millon packages per day more than UPS has in the same time period.

How many union jobs have been lost?

By the way, in 2001 there were 16 millon union members in the united states. Now there are 14.4 million union members. A loss of 1.6 million union members.

I'm sure that representatives from UPS and the Teamsters understand the situation. Both sides know what's at stake.

Best of luck to you.

Apples to oranges Pretzel. FEDEX ground unit couldnt carry our underwear, and to think they could handle our ground numbers is ridiculous at best.

The private contractors they use are the most unreliable, undependable drivers in the industry. They dont last very long and hardly make a living after deducting all the losses for working for FEDEX.

FEDEX ground is a revolving door of dummies.

Why do you think they only have a 2.5 million package increase in 11 years? That isnt SQUAT if you divide that by 11 years, and its even LESS if you divide that by 12 months.

Then you factor in WHY UPS is losing volume ( drivers out late, packages lost, packages left in building, packages misloaded, packages incorrectly PAS, packages undelivered because of over dispatching, missed pickups because of cutbacks of routes, etc etc etc) then you will find that those GAINS at FEDEX are NOT related to FEDEX's ability to TAKE our business, but rather UPS willing to give it away.

We would EAT FEDEX's lunch with volume if we could only be allowed to do the job correctly. IF UPS would only take the IE out of IE and allow the business to function like it was designed to do ( SERVICE THE CUSTOMER) we would be larger than life and FEDEX wouldnt have been able to start a third rate ground business from the ground up.

Consider this. Politically speaking, if the GOP is thrown out of congress, in 2014, look for congress to finally take up placing FEDEX into National Labor Relations ACT and remove them from the National Railway Act and that alone will SINK FEDEX ground units.

Once that happens, the Teamsters will be able to organize the ground unit and air unit drivers and the operating costs will fall in line with UPS employees, and FEDEX's ground surge will be dead in its tracks.

On this issue, Both the postal service and UPS are onboard with this outcome.

Its a wait and see moment in this respect.

Back to ground volume, when UPS says FEDEX is "taking" our volume, that isnt true. Those are just the words from REGIONAL MANAGERS who dont understand that we are "GIVING IT AWAY".

None of them have the knowledge that the "business model" they employ is causing ground loss. The concept of "add more stops to trucks and cut routes" is where they should start.

Where in this concept do they factor in CUBE SPACE? When you bury a driver in ground stops, you take away CUBE SPACE for pickups, and when that happens, pickups have to be called in and customers have to wait until a driver with available CUBE SPACE can be found.

Sometimes, this could be 7pm or 8pm at night. Do you think this kind of customer would pick FEDEX ground if they could be there consistently before 5pm?

Once this becomes a pattern, and the pickup customer is sacrificed for ground deliveries ( because some genious thought it was an "optimal decision"), then they start looking for alternatives.

It isnt about cost, its about convenience.

UPS is making the business "inconvenient" for the customers.

The regionals just dont have the "balls" to say so.

Peace

TOS

Its all about numbers...scratching, 9.5...what happened to our customer service? Btw...who wanted the union in the first place when UPS was started?
 

cheryl

I started this.
Staff member
You would understand better if you actually worked at ups and lived it instead of operating a web site. We made our name United Parcel SERVICE from actual service because we had people who had ACTUALLY done the job. Now we have people with experience like you.
407, what are you smoking? Tony worked for UPS for 27 years...
 
407, what are you smoking? Tony worked for UPS for 27 years...
I don't smoke anything. If you have an accident and they test you your gone. I guess I assumed since you never worked there neither did he. I guess that's why you don't assume. When did he stop working there?? What capacity was he employed at United Parcel?? If you answer these questions I'll guarantee a good fair response. No worries
 

cheryl

I started this.
Staff member
I don't smoke anything. If you have an accident and they test you your gone. I guess I assumed since you never worked there neither did he. I guess that's why you don't assume. When did he stop working there?? What capacity was he employed at United Parcel?? If you answer these questions I'll guarantee a good fair response. No worries
Here's a post from 2007 about how and why I started this site: http://www.browncafe.com/community/...come-to-be-what-it-is-today.72083/#post182713
 
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