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Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by 1989NW, May 8, 2018.

  1. 1989NW

    1989NW Member

    No matter what changes on future contracts are we grandfathered into the contracts that we hired under? If the company decides to get rid of pensions does that mean that even an emloyee that has given the last 20 years of their life to this company will not receive a pension once retired?
     
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  2. 2033

    2033 Well-Known Member

    Short answers are depends, and no.

    Long answer would involve a very lengthy explanation about how pensions work. Please go do some research into the matter on your own. I'll give you a starting point, UPS does not control the pensions, and it would be very difficult and costly for them to stop paying into them.
     
  3. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    Go to a union meeting.
     
  4. 1989NW

    1989NW Member

    What about the amount of paid time off we get are we grandfathered into that or can it change?
     
  5. 2033

    2033 Well-Known Member

    The only issues I know of that are grandfathered in are the ones that are specifically addressed by the contracts. An example, if I remember correctly, would be drivers attaining seniority before a certain date could not be forced onto a Tuesday through Saturday schedule. If they were to try to reduce time off, it would probably also be a grandfather issue, so it only applies to new hires, to have any hope of getting approval of members. Most likely that sort of thing wouldn't fly.
     
  6. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    The union knows very little about our pension. In many cases they don’t even know the hourly contribution rate. Which is useless on its own.
     
  7. Tony Q

    Tony Q Well-Known Member

    Social media will be the downfall of everything!
     
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  8. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    Being an inanimate object, I would suspect the "union" knows very little about everything.

    Now officers and agents who normally conduct union mtgs should be able to provide some info. However, Plan Administrators are your best bet for accurate info but if your local has trustees of your fund present, they certainly will have knowledge of hourly contribution rates among other workings of the plan.
     
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  9. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    Participation in a Pension Plan is a vested benefit.
     
  10. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    DId you start yesterday?
     
  11. 1989NW

    1989NW Member

    i started two years ago. Thanks for answering my question
     
  12. Johnny123456789

    Johnny123456789 New Member

    Whatever you have now goes to a 401k account and that's the end of that.
     
  13. twoweeled

    twoweeled Well-Known Member

    A good guess (on my part) would be, nothing is written in granite. Nothing! Virtually, anything can be changed. Things are definite and can be planned on, unless they get changed.
     
  14. 2033

    2033 Well-Known Member

    If you're going to be that way about it, and you claim a union, within the context of this thread, is an inanimate object, can you show me a picture of one? Words like union and government are really adjectives that describe relationships between people, but they are often used as nouns in a figurative way because most people understand what is being said. Though trouble does arise when people conflate the figurative with the literal. Language is a beautiful thing, but can be dangerous when misused.
     
  15. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    You're right. The use of "object" was misapplied, but my point was made.
     
  16. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Sorry it's one of the dumbest I have ever seen on here. I was in shock.
     
  17. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    The best info one could get from the union officers and agents is a phone number. Since these officers and agents have nothing to do with the the pension.
     
  18. 1989NW

    1989NW Member

    I have never been through a contract before or worked for a company that offers a pension so what's dumb about it?
     
  19. Maplewood

    Maplewood Active Member

    Just be a man and keep voting No on any contract you don't agree with. Vote YES for strike Authorization. The contract proposal would have to be at least half decent or our union won't even let it be voted on.
     
  20. twoweeled

    twoweeled Well-Known Member

    You sound sorta new. less than 20 years? Minimal disciplinary action experienced? No offense, but of course a person should vote no on a contract they don't agree with. The contract having to be half decent is debatable at best. It has to appeal to the IBT, for whatever reason, not necessarily be the best for the membership. The IBT is concerned with keeping those dues flowing, and little else. That's the sad truth that many already know. If the IBT knew we would accept losing all our benefits and keep the same pay rate, guess what we'd get? It's all about keeping the dues coming in, for them. Keeping the same pay rate, keeps the same dues coming in. What are UPS and the Union doing in those rooms? They are both trying to figure out, what is the minimum we will take. That is why our own union will always tell us it isn't a bad deal. They don't care if it's bad or not. Just pass it!! That's it!