FedEx Ground

[Working4the1%]

He'll be able to write most if not all of that off.

So it was more about a TAX right off.......cuz he needs all the tax breaks. Bezos makes $2,489 per second -- more than twice what the median U.S. worker makes in one week. That's $149,353 per minute.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

So it was more about a TAX right off.......cuz he needs all the tax breaks. Bezos makes $2,489 per second -- more than twice what the median U.S. worker makes in one week. That's $149,353 per minute.

Didn't say that. He did the right thing by taking care of his employees. What I said was he should be able to write off most if not all of the money that he had to spend to take care of said employees.

 

[Fred's Myth]

...and you are faulting him for that...?

He offers employment to individuals with limited options. He sets the parameters, which include pay and benefits, upon hire. His employees know what they are getting in to. They also know that they can walk away at any time.

Why pay someone $20/hr when you can pay someone else $15/hr and get the same or near the same level of production?

Business 101-----increase income, reduce expenses.

Then they should keep their mouths shut when FedEx does them the same in turn.

 

[Working4the1%]

Didn't say that. He did the right thing by taking care of his employees. What I said was he should be able to write off most if not all of the money that he had to spend to take care of said employees.

I really doubt TAX consequence came into the debate to help his employees...he sure didn't help his shareholders

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I really doubt TAX consequence came into the debate to help his employees...he sure didn't help his shareholders

AMZN last traded at $2,286/share.

 

[Working4the1%]

AMZN last traded at $2,286/share.

Jeff Bezos tells shareholders to buckle up: Amazon to blow this quarter's profits and more on coronavirus costs

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Jeff Bezos tells shareholders to buckle up: Amazon to blow this quarter's profits and more on coronavirus costs

(You need to learn how to post links.)

Wall St has short term memory----the stock will more than recover before the year is over.

 

[bacha29]

Didn't say that. He did the right thing by taking care of his employees. What I said was he should be able to write off most if not all of the money that he had to spend to take care of said employees.

It depends entirely on the level of "care" and whether or not it was extended to include the people who comprise his contractor employed driver workforce out there delivering his junk.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

It depends entirely on the level of "care" and whether or not it was extended to include the people who comprise his contractor employed driver workforce out there delivering his junk.

Gig workers are disposable.

 

[bacha29]

Gig workers are disposable.

So I gather that based on the fact that they man less prominent positions they in your opinion represent a lower class of humanity and should therefore be deserving of less protection?

 

[bacha29]

...and you are faulting him for that...?

He offers employment to individuals with limited options. He sets the parameters, which include pay and benefits, upon hire. His employees know what they are getting in to. They also know that they can walk away at any time.

Why pay someone $20/hr when you can pay someone else $15/hr and get the same or near the same level of production?

Business 101-----increase income, reduce expenses.

If you work for UPS you should be worried about people like IWBF. These are people who are steadily devaluing and destroying the wage foundations upon which the industry's compensation package is built. And if you work for UPS and given the growing number of people like IWBF out there then the belief on your part that UPS will protect you from the ongoing wage destruction could in the end leave you feeling betrayed.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

So I gather that based on the fact that they man less prominent positions they in your opinion represent a lower class of humanity and should therefore be deserving of less protection?

Yuppers.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

If you work for UPS you should be worried about people like IWBF. These are people who are steadily devaluing and destroying the wage foundations upon which the industry's compensation package is built. And if you work for UPS and given the growing number of people like IWBF out there then the belief on your part that UPS will protect you from the ongoing wage destruction could in the end leave you feeling betrayed.

..or perhaps they are exposing the idiocy of paying employees $40/hr and giving them Cadillac benefits for a job that requires only a HS diploma and valid drivers license...

 

[Working4the1%]

..or perhaps they are exposing the idiocy of paying employees $40/hr and giving them Cadillac benefits for a job that requires only a HS diploma and valid drivers license...

In January 1914, Henry Ford started paying his auto workers a remarkable $5 a day. Doubling the average wage helped ensure a stable workforce and likely boosted sales since the workers could now afford to buy the cars they were making. It laid the foundation for an economy driven by consumer demand

 

[CatMan]

..or perhaps they are exposing the idiocy of paying employees $40/hr and giving them Cadillac benefits for a job that requires only a HS diploma and valid drivers license...

Yeah, but just because you have a H.S. diploma and a valid drivers license sure as hell doesn't mean that you have the strength, toughness and endurance to grind out a 10hr day hopping in and out of a truck 200 times in 100 degree heat or pouring rain. And looking at the clock the whole time? I'd say that the pay should reflect the level of labor intensive work that we do....Oh yeah, and some of those boxes are real Friggin' heavy!

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Yeah, but just because you have a H.S. diploma and a valid drivers license sure as hell doesn't mean that you have the strength, toughness and endurance to grind out a 10hr day hopping in and out of a truck 200 times in 100 degree heat or pouring rain. And looking at the clock the whole time? I'd say that the pay should reflect the level of labor intensive work that we do....Oh yeah, and some of those boxes are real Friggin' heavy!

Do the Ground guys work any less or deliver packages any lighter?

 

[zeev]

The reason UPS gets payed what they do is because their organized. People who work at the Apple stores are smart but not organized they make nothing close to a Ups driver. Why Ground drivers work for half pay is a good question.

 

[CatMan]

Ground drivers probably deserve at least equal to Express Couriers.Period!

 

[59 Dano]

So in effect you're saying that's the way it is so if you don't like us lying to you leave. Glad to see you're upholding the proud Express management position of being an a-hole.

No van, I'm saying that Express should have operated in exactly whatever manner you desired, no matter how stupid it would have been to do so, because it should never change anything even if the landscape in which it operates changes drastically.

 

[59 Dano]

Package shipping is a business that has, is and will continue to be extremely competitive. It's an easy business to get into but a hard one to stay in. Rate cutting will continue to be the industry driver. As a result when it comes to cutting costs the guy at the bottom will suffer the most.

Now Dano is part of the shrinking, elitist primadonna group of preppy company employees who to this point have been shielded from the increasingly powerful market forces that will become all powerful as the effects of the upcoming recession take control. If they are impacted we don't yet know and if they are they will be among the last to be impacted because needless to say that they have never experienced what truly hard lines are like and they will no doubt cry the loudest.

Unfortunately for the people at Fedex who are out there everyday in what continues to become an ever more dangerous and violent workplace environment the fact that they are nonunion workforce they have zero push back, no power to resist the ongoing devaluation of not just their labor but also their representation and defense of the company through their performance of the physical service for which the company is handsomely paid.

As the devaluation continues there will no doubt come a day and it could be sooner than you might think when it reaches the point where the people who make life good for Dano and others realizing that they no longer have anything to lose begin to take matters into their own hands.

It's enthralling to watch you pretend to be an industry expert, considering position in the industry back when you were in it.