FT driver layoff questions.

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by 100088, Jan 13, 2009.

  1. 100088

    100088 Member

    I am a FT driver
    I have my own bid
    I am a transfer from another hub out of state.
    I have 12 years of company seniority
    I have 10 years of this hub seniority
    I have < 2 years FT driving seniority
    I am on the on-call list even with my bid, my bid sucks so bad no one above me wants it, until they cut drivers back.
    I have more total company seniority than several of the FT drivers however they bumped me today to avoid layoff.
    I was told there was not any work for me today.
    I was told I could not bump into pt time work until next week.

    I am asking all of this to see if anyone has gone through this issue.

    I will be talking to the steward tonight, however he most likely will be researching this just like I am. We have just 50 drivers in our building so this is the first time my specific case has come up.

    Oh yes, I work under central states as well.

    Thank you for your time in advance,
  2. 100088

    100088 Member

    33 people have looked at this so far. Outlook not so good! lol
  3. ncamara

    ncamara Member

    Seniority for drivers is going to be based on your full-time driver date. Drivers with more seniority can bump you off, even if it's a bid route.

    How many others were laid off? Did anyone work with less driver seniority than you?

    I'm not sure about going back inside to get some hours. Did they tell you that you'd be laid off the rest of the week?
  4. 100088

    100088 Member

    They told me I had to be out of work for a full week, I told them I am on the on call list and I thought I could bump right back in. Needless to say there was a lot of mumbling and answers they were less than definitive.
  5. New Englander

    New Englander New Member

    Your part time seniority amounts to zilch on this. It goes by your full time.
  6. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    Are they working any air drivers? The contract is clear that air drivers are to be used to deliver and pick up airs that due to commit time a regular package car driver can not make. Now if they are using air drivers you should file a grievance to get paid for all hours worked by the air driver.

    In order for the Employer, the Union and the employees to further benefit
    from the expanding air operations, the following Sections shall supersede
    language on the same subjects in the Supplements, Riders and Addenda,
    unless specifically stated otherwise in this Article.

    Section 1. Air Drivers
    (a) Air driver work shall consist of delivery and pickup of air packages which,
    because of time and customer commitments, cannot be reasonably performed
    by regular package drivers. Such work may include:

    (1) Delivery of air packages which the regular delivery drivers cannot deliver
    within guaranteed time commitments.
  7. 100088

    100088 Member


    They are not using air drivers except for Saturday air. Our center is quite a bit smaller than yours. like 97 percent smaller.

    Thank you for the help.
  8. 100088

    100088 Member

    Thank you for the information!
  9. UnsurePost

    UnsurePost making the unreadable unreadabler

  10. 100088

    100088 Member

    Really? I thought if there was work inside I had to take it.
  11. eastohiobrownguy

    eastohiobrownguy New Member

    What about bumping another FT employee who is not a driver? I asked this question awhile ago here and everyone agreed that it was company senority ruled. My example was I had more FT senority but less company senority then a couple 22.3 workers in my building but I was not able to bump them because it went by company senority?
  12. Dark_Team_135

    Dark_Team_135 Member

    I am located in the Central Region and when there are layoffs we go by company seniority. If I have 20 years with the company, but only 5 as a full-time driver, a 10 year employee with 7 years of full-time driving will be laid off before me and will have to bump out 2 part-time employees (if the full-timer has more total company seniority) or draw unemployment.

    Is it different elsewhere? I would assume that company seniority (total years with the company be it part-time or full-time) would always determine who would be laid off first.
  13. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    If bids are done by seniority based upon the date we went FT driving then why would layoffs be based upon company seniority. I have more FT seniority than several other drivers but much less company seniority as I was an off-the-street hire. I would assume that FT driving seniority would be the standard used re: layoffs.
  14. eastohiobrownguy

    eastohiobrownguy New Member

    In the Central Region sup. it says

    "Seniority shall be measured by length of continuous service
    with the Employer and shall be on a center seniority basis for
    layoff purposes,"
  15. chopstic

    chopstic New Member

    You almost have it correct there; i think this is how it should be labeled:

    12 years = company seniority
    10 years = hub (inside work) seniority
    2 years = hub (driving) seniority

    for inside work at your particular building you have 10 years of bargaining power, but for driving purposes you only have 2 years.
  16. 100088

    100088 Member


    Thank you everyone for the help. I think there is a consensus with respect to seniority. I really appreciate all of the help, also is there a online central region supplement that I can look at as a .pdf or the like?

    Thanks again.
  17. US0352

    US0352 Feeder

    I apologize for not having the exact quote, but in our Central Ryder it states that "if employee takes layoff instead of bumping, it will show laid off due to lack of work for unemployment benefits" or something real close to that. There is a few of us feeders that have taken lay off instead of bumping and are collecting UE.
  18. JonFrum

    JonFrum Member

    The "old" Central States Supplement is here . . .

    And the renegotiated language to it is here . . .

    Ask your Steward for a Contract book.
  19. Mystakilla

    Mystakilla Who the *$#@ cares.

    Laurel mountain region we get laid off for 1 day then we are allowed to bump PTimers inside the building.
  20. Braveheart

    Braveheart New Member

    Not true. From day one you have the right to work 8 hours a day. Preload and Reload and or Carwash or twilight. Two shifts period.

    You have the right to file a grievance and get paid for all the days they denied you inside work.

    If you have the back bone to file they will put you to work right away and you will get paid for the time off unless they offered you work and you declined it.

    If you do not file they will own you. They will know you do not have the stones to file.