Gas surcharge, thanks to Joe

wilberforce15

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There are 150,000 gas stations in the United States.

There are 140 million electric refueling stations in the United States, because there are 140 million residential homes.
 

Over70irregs

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No it doesn’t, and even if they did, electricity will be the new fossil fuel as soon as everyone gets an ev.
Well while we waste brain cells looking across the ocean reality is very stark. Mankind is cruel. Here are mankinds politics and opinions
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Non liberal

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Your overall bill with an electric vehicle would be less than your current gas car + home electric.

You don't need a charging station. You live in a charging station. You only need a charging station if you're on a road trip.
This is the part that you’re not understanding. Once everyone starts buying ev’s the price of electric will go up. Supply and demand. You’re incompetent ev will be just as expensive to operate as my superior v8 combustion engine. Probably more because of having to go the extra step of converting fossil fuels to electricity. And they’ll justify it all in the name of climate change of which there is sketchy evidence at best that it even exists. And folks just like yourself will eat it up.
 

wilberforce15

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This is the part that you’re not understanding. Once everyone starts buying ev’s the price of electric will go up. Supply and demand. You’re incompetent ev will be just as expensive to operate as my superior v8 combustion engine. Probably more because of having to go the extra step of converting fossil fuels to electricity. And they’ll justify it all in the name of climate change of which there is sketchy evidence at best that it even exists. And folks just like yourself will eat it up.
Has the price of EV's gone up or down in the last 5 years? Has the performance gone up or down in the last 5 years?

Demand skyrocketed. You get more for your money. And they started selling millions per year overall.

Demand isn't the only part of the supply and demand equation.
 

PT Car Washer

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This is the part that you’re not understanding. Once everyone starts buying ev’s the price of electric will go up. Supply and demand. You’re incompetent ev will be just as expensive to operate as my superior v8 combustion engine. Probably more because of having to go the extra step of converting fossil fuels to electricity. And they’ll justify it all in the name of climate change of which there is sketchy evidence at best that it even exists. And folks just like yourself will eat it up.
Most of the charging will be done at night when electric demand is at its lowest.
 

Non liberal

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Your overall bill with an electric vehicle would be less than your current gas car + home electric.

You don't need a charging station. You live in a charging station. You only need a charging station if you're on a road
Has the price of EV's gone up or down in the last 5 years? Has the performance gone up or down in the last 5 years?

Demand skyrocketed. You get more for your money. And they started selling millions per year overall.

Demand isn't the only part of the supply and demand equation.
If you monopolize the energy being consumed the price goes up. Very simple.
 

Non liberal

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Well while we waste brain cells looking across the ocean reality is very stark. Mankind is cruel. Here are mankinds politics and opinions View attachment 375656
No idea what that means. If this picture is supposed to insinuate overpopulation then it’s wrong. If anything our world will be on the verge of population collapse if people don’t start having more children. People arent having children because they think climate change, inequality, and, overpopulation are problems when it’s actually the opposite is true. China is now a perfect example of this. When they limited people to only one child and now they are suffering for it and giving people incentives to have children because they realized what is to come in the future.
 

Non liberal

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Even at 2021 prices, you get more value for a dollar spent in EVs than you did 5 years ago.

There has been deflation in the EV market.
Maybe now, again once it becomes the primary source of energy for vehicles, hundreds of million s of people using it, billions more across the globe, governments will be fighting for coal or whatever other fuel they will be burning to make electricity and your electric bill will go up. One thing is true every single time, and that is that the rich whether it’s energy companies, ceos of car companies, politicians, whoever, Make their money. Supply and demand is what it says it is. The more something is being used, the more expensive it gets.
 

wilberforce15

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Maybe now, again once it becomes the primary source of energy for vehicles, hundreds of million s of people using it, billions more across the globe, governments will be fighting for coal or whatever other fuel they will be burning to make electricity and your electric bill will go up. One thing is true every single time, and that is that the rich whether it’s energy companies, ceos of car companies, politicians, whoever, Make their money. Supply and demand is what it says it is. The more something is being used, the more expensive it gets.
The more something is being used is only half of the equation on its price.

TV's used to be 1000 bucks for a 15 inch, black and white set.

Once the whole world has 2 tv's each, you can get a 65 inch 4k tv for 350 bucks.

Demand went up by a million times.

And prices plummeted.

That's how EVs will work.
 

Non liberal

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The more something is being used is only half of the equation on its price.

TV's used to be 1000 bucks for a 15 inch, black and white set.

Once the whole world has 2 tv's each, you can get a 65 inch 4k tv for 350 bucks.

Demand went up by a million times.

And prices plummeted.

That's how EVs will work.
The car, maybe. Not electricity. Fossil fuel makes electricity the supply, while plentiful, is limited. It will replace gasoline. Everything going on with gas right now will happen with electricity. Why do you think your electric bill goes up in the winter? Because more oil, gas, coal and propane being burned causes your electricity supplier to raise the price. All the energy is the same, it doesn’t matter where you get it from.
 

wilberforce15

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The car, maybe. Not electricity. Fossil fuel makes electricity the supply, while plentiful, is limited. It will replace gasoline. Everything going on with gas right now will happen with electricity. Why do you think your electric bill goes up in the winter? Because more oil, gas, coal and propane being burned causes your electricity supplier to raise the price. All the energy is the same, it doesn’t matter where you get it from.
My electric bill doesn't go up in the winter. It goes down.

And if supply grows faster than demand, price goes down. The question is the intersection.

Energy demand can skyrocket, and prices can still go down. We are in control of this if we make the right political decisions.
 

Non liberal

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My electric bill doesn't go up in the winter. It goes down.

And if supply grows faster than demand, price goes down. The question is the intersection.

Energy demand can skyrocket, and prices can still go down. We are in control of this if we make the right political decisions.
Why does your bill go down? If you live in a cold area, it goes up. Unless you are only solar or something. And obviously joe Biden is president. We don’t make the right political decisions.
 

wilberforce15

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Why does your bill go down? If you live in a cold area, it goes up. Unless you are only solar or something. And obviously joe Biden is president. We don’t make the right political decisions.
The bill goes down because we have mild winters and hot summers, and I use some wood heat. Different areas are different.

You seem to understand that it is optional for us to have price increases. It's a political thing. Not economic.

Demand can soar and prices go down. It happens all the time in all kinds of industries.
 
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