Gas up again!

JohnnyPension

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Costco in Gilbert AZ-wait for it......
$1.59/gal.

Not sure why, but we are supposed to be the lowest in the country here in AZ.

I used to drive through NJ (lived upstate NY) to get to work at Manhattan North and saved mucho dinero on gas.
 

rod

Retired 23 years
1.89 for E10 (which causes quicker corrosion in the engine and less gas mileage--but it's green!) and 1.99 for real gas.

If you are talking about E-85 your actual price is about $2.89 --- The tax payers pick up the extra substitzes-- E-85= Biggest ripoff going
 
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IH8No1

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If you are talking about E-85 your actual price is about $2.89 --- The tax payers pick up the extra substitzes-- E-85= Biggest ripoff going

That was the Republican's present to ADM. Bob Dole is/was on their Board.
ADM has very good lobbyist who have politicians on both sides of the aisle in their pocket.
 

scratch

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Gas has jumped up to a little over two bucks this past week. We supposedly went on a "Summer Blend" of gas, which is a fancy way of jacking up the prices every year before Summer gets here. It was about $3.60 this time last year, so I can't really complain.
 

UPSNewbie

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If you are talking about E-85 your actual price is about $2.89 --- The tax payers pick up the extra substitzes-- E-85= Biggest ripoff going

E85 is actually for flex fuel vehicles--engines rated with higher compression. If using regular gasoline in engines suited for E85, it could cause the whole engine to explode.

E10 is 10% ethanol 90% gasoline. It's mandated in about eight states. It creates less carbon emissions. However by doing a little six month study on my own, I averaged about a 10% loss in MPG, therefor needing more, which in turn doesn't really lower the emissions I was putting out compared to 100% gasoline.

I would average 360 miles on one full tank of 100% gasoline and 335 on E10.

I go with pure gasoline which boosts milage and saves more than the $.10 that E10 charges less than pure.

*E-10 is NOT SAFE for carburetor engines without specific modifications, though safe for everything else.
 

screamin chicken

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I have not check since lastnight, and the Blue Angels are here this weekend and I was thinking the gas went up because of that, it was 1.90 last week and as of lastnight it was 2.18. I hope it's still at 2.18 when I go out today.
 

hondo

promoted to mediocrity
I feel the need to clear up some misconceptions here.
E85 is actually for flex fuel vehicles--engines rated with higher compression. If using regular gasoline in engines suited for E85, it could cause the whole engine to explode.
The compression ratio of the engine determines the octane rating of fuel required. A flex fuel vehicle is one where the entire fuel delivery system (tank, pumps, injectors, lines/hoses, regulators, sensors) are all made of materials designed to resist the corrosive effects of E85, and most importantly, has a fuel content sensor that can determine the actual percentage of ethanol currently in your tank.
E10 is 10% ethanol 90% gasoline. It's mandated in about eight states. It creates less carbon emissions. This is because of the added oxygen in the fuel at the molecular level. Some states went with an additive called MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ester, IIRC, but I ain't no rocket surgeon) which is an environmental disaster, IMHO-pollutes the water table much worse than ethanol. However by doing a little six month study on my own, I averaged about a 10% loss in MPG, therefor needing more, which in turn doesn't really lower the emissions I was putting out compared to 100% gasoline.

I would average 360 miles on one full tank of 100% gasoline and 335 on E10. Less energy content per unit volume for alcohol than gasoline, hence more volume used to obtain the same performance.

I go with pure gasoline which boosts milage and saves more than the $.10 that E10 charges less than pure.
Unless someone is looking to make an "environmental/social/political/economic statement" with their fuel choice, one needs to find the break even point where it becomes cheaper to use the ethanol blend.
*E-10 is NOT SAFE for carburetor engines without specific modifications, though safe for everything else.
When E10 was introduced in the Chicago area about 30 years ago, it wasn't the disaster predicted, streets and highways packed with broken down cars and trucks. But there was definitely a statistically significant upswing in the # of carburetor rebuilds and mechanical (diaphragm type) fuel pump replacements. Your vehicle would start to run poorly, you'd fix it (or eventually it wouln't run).

Oh yeah, $2.599/gal last night here. Can't get 100% gasoline here at all, haven't been able to for a long, long time.
 

stevetheupsguy

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$2.31gal here, which is the all around lowest avg you'll pay. Diesel is not that much higher than reg. unleaded.


Thanks for that lesson, Hondo.
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
E85 is actually for flex fuel vehicles--engines rated with higher compression. If using regular gasoline in engines suited for E85, it could cause the whole engine to explode.

Incorrect.

A flex fuel vehicle can run on any blend of fuel up to e85, which is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline.

I ran regular gasoline in my '03 Caravan up until 3 yrs ago when E85 became available in my area. I still run it today if I need fuel and i am not at a station that sells E85.

My Caravan does not have a higher compression ratio than a non-flex fuel vehicle. Ethanol and methanol both have a far higher octane rating than gasoline which is why top-fuel funny cars use methane instead of gas, and if you run low octane gas in a high compression motor you will cause damage, but flex fuel vehicles arent high compresion.
 
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