guns

[klein]

Yup, add more guns to fight more gun crime.
As long as it works out for you.

Here, and mostly everywhere esle, it seems to work great the other way around.
Having less guns on the streets and homes, and in return lowering gun crime.

Quote from the Telegraph (British newspaper):

"Will America open its eyes?

A law-abiding American citizen is far more likely to die with a bullet in his body than a British citizen. All the comparable Western countries with reasonable gun laws have long had vastly fewer gun homicides. The murder rate per 100,000 people for the US is 5.2. For Australia it is 0.07, for Japan, 0.05, and for the UK 0.06."

(that's close to 100 fold lower then in the US) !!!
Then again, maybe it's not the guns, maybe it's just a screwed up population ? Or a combination of both ?

Entire story :
Gabrielle Giffords shooting: Why it is time to change gun laws

 

[trplnkl]

All you stats one gun related homicides you like to come up with are lacking important information. Tell me how many of those killed by guns are criminals killed by legal, law abiding citizens protecting themselves and others? Even a criminal perpetuating violence on innocent people that are killed in self defense go on the books as homicides.

Many of the people killed in Canada and the UK are innocent men, women and children that can't protect themselves, while the ones that deserve to die are left running the streets or locked up to return to the streets.

Let's see how many of the criminals are gun related deaths vs. innocent victims ?

Do not forget, even in the UK and Canada, criminals are going to have guns, Your restrictive laws haven't wiped away all guns, just the ones that would be used to protect.

 

[soberups]

Apparently, the British cab driver who went on a rampage last year and shot a dozen (unarmed) people didnt bother to read any of the statistics and opinions that you quote. And calling the "police" did no good; at one point they were in hot pursuit annd right behind him but were forced to retreat because he had a gun and the cops had nothing but sticks and some pepper spray. It took several hours for any sort of armed response to arrive and by then it was too late.

I would feel better about strict gun laws if the politicians who enacted them were willing to lead by example and only have unarmed bodyguards themselves. Its easy to preach to others about the evils of guns when you yourself are being protected by men who have them.

 

[Babagounj]

Apparently, the British cab driver who went on a rampage last year and shot a dozen (unarmed) people didnt bother to read any of the statistics and opinions that you quote. And calling the "police" did no good; at one point they were in hot pursuit annd right behind him but were forced to retreat because he had a gun and the cops had nothing but sticks and some pepper spray. It took several hours for any sort of armed response to arrive and by then it was too late.

I would feel better about strict gun laws if the politicians who enacted them were willing to lead by example and only have unarmed bodyguards themselves. Its easy to preach to others about the evils of guns when you yourself are being protected by men who have them.

+1

 

[over9five]

Its easy to preach to others about the evils of guns when you yourself are being protected by men who have them.

A la that idiot Bloomberg. Did you hear him the other day?

 

[trplnkl]

Idiot is right. He said:
"With our country still mourning the victims of Tucson, we believe it is an opportunity for our president to make a strong pledge to fix our gun laws and shore up our background check system because the state of our union includes the tragic reality that 34 Americans are murdered with guns every single day, and most of them are purchased or possessed illegally," he said.
Tell us Mayor Bloomberg, if people get guns illegally now, what are you going to do to stop them from getting them illegally after you pass more laws? Let me help you out, they will STILL get guns ILLEGALLY.. doh

 

[over9five]

Tell us Mayor Bloomberg, if people get guns illegally now, what are you going to do to stop them from getting them illegally after you pass more laws? Let me help you out, they will STILL get guns ILLEGALLY.. doh

Mayor Bloomberg answers, "What? I can't hear you. My small personal 25 man well-armed security force is in the way"

 

[Lue C Fur]

Ask the citizens of the UK how the strict gun laws have affected them:

"Nearly five centuries of growing civility ended in 1954. Violent crime has been climbing ever since. Last December, London's Evening Standard reported that armed crime, with banned handguns the weapon of choice, was "rocketing." In the two years following the 1997 handgun ban, the use of handguns in crime rose by 40 percent, and the upward trend has continued. From April to November 2001, the number of people robbed at gunpoint in London rose 53 percent."

Read the full article here:

http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/01/gun-controls-twisted-outcome

 

[klein]

Oh Lucy, almost 10 year old article. You can do better then that.

I think the UK will have the most success with their firearms ban.
They live on an Island.

Bringing guns from other countries in, is almost impossibe.
Those that are in circulation will become less and less.

I'm certain the gun crime rate the years following were much lower.

 

[moreluck]

The UK doesn't need to worry about guns, laws or not. They are being taken over by Muslims and they prefer those scimitars for beheading.

 

[klein]

Yeah, it sure looks that way.

 

[Lue C Fur]

Oh Lucy, almost 10 year old article. You can do better then that.
November 2002...ok i will find a more recent one for you: http://mygunculture.com/2011/01/12/uk-gun-ban-creates-more-interesting-graphs/
I think the UK will have the most success with their firearms ban.
They live on an Island.

Bringing guns from other countries in, is almost impossibe.
Those that are in circulation will become less and less.

I'm certain the gun crime rate the years following were much lower.

You know Klein you might have a point...a gun ban will work over time as the guns are removed from the lawless after they commit crimes like murder, rape, robbery on the law abiding citizens that cant defend themselves. Eventually the bad guys will be caught and the gun taken away. So what if law abiding citizens have to suffer and die for the good of the people...its ok if its not you or your loved ones..right?

I heard that because of the high alcoholism rate in Canada that your govt is has a expermental drug to help get rid of the need for "Likor". The draw back is many will have to try this drug first and will most likely die but in the end it will help make Canadians more productive and get a job...you want to volunteer?

 

[klein]

You know Klein you might have a point...a gun ban will work over time as the guns are removed from the lawless after they commit crimes like murder, rape, robbery on the law abiding citizens that cant defend themselves. Eventually the bad guys will be caught and the gun taken away. So what if law abiding citizens have to suffer and die for the good of the people...its ok if its not you or your loved ones..right?

You make it sound as if every murder is from a home invasion.
In reality only very, very few are.

I admit, some do get shot and killed at home, but mostly from people that they know.
That means their gun (if they had one), would be secured and locked up anyways. Too late to defend themselves then.

Most shootings and robberies take place in public, on the streets, etc.
What good does a gun do, locked up at home ?

If you want everyone to wear a holster, like in the wild-west. Then that's another story.
And doesn't reflect that chart above at all, because the right to carry, wasn't prior allowed either.

 

[over9five]

"Like in the wild-west...."

Lollollollol!!! You watch too much tv!

 

[cachsux]

I think the UK will have the most success with their firearms ban.
They live on an Island.

Bringing guns from other countries in, is almost impossibe.
Those that are in circulation will become less and less.

I'm certain the gun crime rate the years following were much lower.

Yea, the criminal sector is too dumb to go outside the legal means of importing anything and try to smuggle them in. You are right, it`s an island. Lots of coastline to cruise on up in a boat with illegal cargo. But no one ever thought of that before.

 

[klein]

Yea, the criminal sector is too dumb to go outside the legal means of importing anything and try to smuggle them in. You are right, it`s an island. Lots of coastline to cruise on up in a boat with illegal cargo. But no one ever thought of that before.

Look, I posted this yesterday, what's hard to understand ?
The UK had .06 per 100.000 population gun related deaths last year.
The US 6 per 100.000 ! That's 100 times as many !

Now , you think, some boat from Russia (the russian mafia), will make it all the way to the UK, sell guns there for a huge profit, probably $10.000 per handgun, so criminals
can go rob someone.
I don't think so.
If they have $10.000 to start with, they are unlikely to do robberies.
And if they want to actually kill someone, they can find cheaper ways and methods.

 

[Babagounj]

news story from 2005;
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-and-police-are-losing-the-battle-505487.html
Most gun crime in Britain involves handguns, usually converted blank-firing guns and, to a lesser extent, shotguns.
After many years of campaigning by the gun control lobby, a ban finally came into force in May 2004, making it illegal to own a blank-firing replica gun without a firearms licence. Before the ban, NCIS had repeatedly warned that more than half the illegally converted guns seized in Britain by police officers were Brococks, legal until the ban. The Brocock replica handgun has a feature very useful to criminals: the gas-fired pistol can be converted into a real gun by any dodgy backstreet gunsmith.

 

[klein]

Wow, atleast they don't screw around in the UK.
Caught by a customs officer with 5 guns, and less then 2 lbs of cocaine, 10 years jail !
I like that !

 

[trplnkl]

Wow, atleast they don't screw around in the UK.
Caught by a customs officer with 5 guns, and less then 2 lbs of cocaine, 10 years jail !
I like that !

I like it when criminals are caught and penalized. most people do. Do you really think the UK custom officers catch every smuggler? I highly doubt it, we just don;t read about the ones that slip through.
Maybe you should vaca in Jolly Ole England instead of the USA.
Engalnd swings........like a pendulum do...bobbies on bicycles two by two.....

 

[moreluck]

Westminster Abbey the tower of BigBen,
The rosy red cheeks of the little children.

I love the Roger Miller songs !!