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bacha29

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Are you that obtuse? Pointing out the government over spends on everything. But you don't care. Spend, spend, spend, then spend some more.
What would you have done if the government had quit spending on charity healthcare in your case and the hospital would have demanded full payment up front? You see VT under federal law a hospital cannot deny care and services even if the person cannot pay. Medicaid then becomes the healthcare provider's only way to get paid other than to overcharge insurers who then pass it down to subscribers which in reality is a hidden tax. The only recourse is to change the law requiring the patient to provide proof of payment ahead of the service either through insurance or putting up a surety bond backed by personal assets.

What I often see today with MAGA's is that they want the full benefit of the nation's social welfare programs but don't want another person with a situation similar if not identical to their own to receive any benefits for fear that the money for that program will run out before they can get any.

That's not conservatism or fiscal responsibility....that's greed.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
What would you have done if the government had quit spending on charity healthcare in your case and the hospital would have demanded full payment up front? You see VT under federal law a hospital cannot deny care and services even if the person cannot pay. Medicaid then becomes the healthcare provider's only way to get paid other than to overcharge insurers who then pass it down to subscribers which in reality is a hidden tax. The only recourse is to change the law requiring the patient to provide proof of payment ahead of the service either through insurance or putting up a surety bond backed by personal assets.

What I often see today with MAGA's is that they want the full benefit of the nation's social welfare programs but don't want another person with a situation similar if not identical to their own to receive any benefits for fear that the money for that program will run out before they can get any.

That's not conservatism or fiscal responsibility....that's greed.
This whole argument of yours is to go after me personally. What you aren't telling us is that the hospital system that performed the double bypass is a nonprofit. Thus they can charge a bit extra on every insured patient to cover the non insured. Not charge exorbitant amounts to pad profits. What you aren't saying is most working class people if they aren't working don't have insurance. You want to say I didn't take care of business personally but I'm in the same boat as everyone else. What you don't say is that hospitals charge insurance companies a lot less than what they charge people who self insure or don't have insurance. My stent in 2011 cost over $50k but ultimately they charged my company insurance $16k and me $1600. I was told the reason why is they have pre negotiated amounts they charge insurance companies. So you railing that the taxpayer was on the hook for over $100k for my double bypass isn't correct, not by a long shot. Nor are the insured paying for over $100k. Once again either you are uninformed or you're just making stuff up. Meanwhile we know for a fact that individuals making up to $125k or couples making up to $250k are fine in your book to have the taxpayer pay off their student loan debt. $34 trillion in debt and counting and yet you are fine with buying votes with our tax dollars. You don't want to see our government cut back on anything because spending is power and nothing is more important to you than controlling.everyone else with the money. In effect you're just another angry Karen sticking her nose in where it doesn't belong. And always getting it wrong.
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
This whole argument of yours is to go after me personally. What you aren't telling us is that the hospital system that performed the double bypass is a nonprofit. Thus they can charge a bit extra on every insured patient to cover the non insured. Not charge exorbitant amounts to pad profits. What you aren't saying is most working class people if they aren't working don't have insurance. You want to say I didn't take care of business personally but I'm in the same boat as everyone else. What you don't say is that hospitals charge insurance companies a lot less than what they charge people who self insure or don't have insurance. My stent in 2011 cost over $50k but ultimately they charged my company insurance $16k and me $1600. I was told the reason why is they have pre negotiated amounts they charge insurance companies. So you railing that the taxpayer was on the hook for over $100k for my double bypass isn't correct, not by a long shot. Nor are the insured paying for over $100k. Once again either you are uninformed or you're just making stuff up. Meanwhile we know for a fact that individuals making up to $125k or couples making up to $250k are fine in your book to have the taxpayer pay off their student loan debt. $34 trillion in debt and counting and yet you are fine with buying votes with our tax dollars. You don't want to see our government cut back on anything because spending is power and nothing is more important to you than controlling.everyone else with the money. In effect you're just another angry Karen sticking her nose in where it doesn't belong. And always getting it wrong.
How do you know it's only "a bit extra"? The point is the system served you quite well in your time of need and I'm happy that it did. But you tell me was the hidden tax that was responsible for your positive outcome fair to the people who had to pay it? And the agreed to charges between provider and insurer is negotiated and it very much includes surcharges to cover the cost of charity care because the law requires it.

Instead of confronting it you go running off to completely unrelated matters like student loans and defense spending in an effort to deflect it. And please do not continue to misunderstand what a nonprofit healthcare facility actually is. It very much is a FOR PROFIT operation. They don't pay taxes on profits or taxes such as property taxes on their real estate holdings and some get discounted rates for things like water and sewage. It is simply another form of legal tax evasion.

Again the only way to severely reduce or eliminate Medicaid spending is to change the law allowing hospitals to deny care to those who can't pay. And you might get it given the ongoing complaint by care providers that Medicaid reimbursements are slow to come and no longer enough to cover costs and care providers are experiencing delays in getting their paychecks some going as much as 3 weeks without pay.
 

vantexan

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How do you know it's only "a bit extra"? The point is the system served you quite well in your time of need and I'm happy that it did. But you tell me was the hidden tax that was responsible for your positive outcome fair to the people who had to pay it? And the agreed to charges between provider and insurer is negotiated and it very much includes surcharges to cover the cost of charity care because the law requires it.

Instead of confronting it you go running off to completely unrelated matters like student loans and defense spending in an effort to deflect it. And please do not continue to misunderstand what a nonprofit healthcare facility actually is. It very much is a FOR PROFIT operation. They don't pay taxes on profits or taxes such as property taxes on their real estate holdings and some get discounted rates for things like water and sewage. It is simply another form of legal tax evasion.

Again the only way to severely reduce or eliminate Medicaid spending is to change the law allowing hospitals to deny care to those who can't pay. And you might get it given the ongoing complaint by care providers that Medicaid reimbursements are slow to come and no longer enough to cover costs and care providers are experiencing delays in getting their paychecks some going as much as 3 weeks without pay.
Again, it would have been more if it was a for profit hospital. And now you're attacking the hospital. OK Karen, go run and pay for rich kids student loan debt. You need their votes.
 

Meat

Well-Known Member
Meat,

I realize your worldview is tainted by the "it's all about me" attitude of your generation, but I assure you it's not all about you.

Van,

Are you sure you’re not confusing your “wife’s” criticism of yourself when you were walking out the door to leave her to fend for herself for months at time with some sort of ill conceived blanket statement about my generation?

Food for thought you ole true Christian/family values SOB.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
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vantexan

Well-Known Member
Van,

Are you sure you’re not confusing your “wife’s” criticism of yourself when you were walking out the door to leave her to fend for herself for months at time with some sort of ill conceived blanket statement about my generation?

Food for thought you ole true Christian/family values SOB.
My wife convinced me that she wanted to move to Mexico to get me to quit FedEx before we got married. I had told her of my plans to retire there. Turned out she didn't want to go to Mexico at all. She had bought a house and car in Kansas the year before then went looking for a man to help her pay for it. She thought she could get me to Kansas and I'd find local work. Eventually I got back on at FedEx but when I turned 55 I took retirement. She was not happy with the decision. She got her grown daughter to move in with us and after they both got jobs she eventually told me I wasn't needed(except for my $623.36 I was paying on her car). So I purchased a Honda Element and left.

And you're still a product of your generation and it shows.
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
California participates in the EXPANDED Medicaid program. In Florida the people who have health insurance either through their employer or through self paid premiums have to pay for the treatment of those who have no insurance, You guys preach the evils of socialism....well here's a prime example of it. You get the same healthcare whether you pay your fair share or not because the guy who has insurance pays for his care and yours too. It sure as hell is socialism no matter how you try to deny it.
Here is the ultimate evil result of socialism:

 
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