Hiding Miss Loads
- Thread starter The Blackadder
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BUCN85
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You know something real sneaky they will tell us to do. If it's a commercial stop. Say a DR. Office they know closes at 2pm. They say sheet as closed after 2. I have even had them tell me to sheet a business as closed before 5. Shady
TearsInRain
IE boogeyman
that pops up in it's own special category on ~the reports~, so your management aren't being too bright there
The Blackadder
Are you not amused?
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Maybe we should of spent some that Orion money on software problems like this.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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It's not a software problem; in fact, if is better that it does show up.
A missed that is run off later that day is much easier to explain than a business that was sheeted as closed before 5.
just chillin'
Rest in peace wooba
Food for thought on the integrity discussion. Every damaged package is sheeted as refused in my building by all drivers no questions asked. Hundreds a month I'm sure for years. Never do they sheet/use the damage option in your diads. I know the diad does not train you like that. If that's not falsifying records then what is. Why the diad doesn't have a hold for inspection option that would put a honest expcetion on the package is beyond my pay grade. Of course now that I think about it, I'm sure it would be abused and used for every non delivered package.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Damages are to be sheeted as missed per corporate.
just chillin'
Rest in peace wooba
Corporate instructions you sign off on vs. oral instructions from a sup/oms.
Falsifying records vs. failure to follow
Drivers version of integrity vs. managements version (and both vary greatly from man to man)
There's gonna be no right answer for everyone in every situation
Falsifying records vs. failure to follow
Drivers version of integrity vs. managements version (and both vary greatly from man to man)
There's gonna be no right answer for everyone in every situation
just chillin'
Rest in peace wooba
But they never are. Not here
Refused/didn't want with damage in the remarks column
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
When it comes to a hearing for your job sitting in front of a panel.
It's very clear right vs wrong.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
You mean they won't let him pull out his cellphone to show them pics of the ODS messages?
UPS2012
I win no matter what
Have you been in this exact situation since you know so much about this?
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
No because I've never been fired for failure to follow instructions. No management is dumb enough to fire someone for failing to follow instructions when they are telling you to falsify records.
I've been at hearings however and seen people fired for falsifying records when all they were doing was doing what a sup told them to do.
Exactly just don't do it. If they ask you to do something shady have them send you a message and take a picture of it.
Bottom line I still wouldn't do it. They do try pulling that crap with the younger drivers.
Seriously with all the crap they screw up on a daily basis, o can't believe how far they go to get a misload delivered. Some of the easiest money I ever made.
UPS2012
I win no matter what
Well I think smart people wouldn't go by word of mouth to falsify records. But being sent a message is two different things. I've seen people get fired for falsifying records on there own free will. Never seen fired for doing what a supervisor has sent in your diad. Not saying it has never happen.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Yeah even pictures and messages can't save you if they really want to push the issue. Because all they have to say is you've been trained. You know better. Why did you agree to this?
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
It all depends if you're lucky enough that the customer never calls corporate and questions it.
Like I said sheet misload as NSN. Customer calls in wanting to know why they don't have their package. They look and see you sheeted it NSN 25 miles from the house.
A simple message from a sup isn't going to save your ass. It just means you'll both be disciplined because you both knew better.
