How Does the UPS Part-Timer Compensation stack up

Dracula

Package Car is cake compared to this...
I'm against the Unaffordable Care Act because it will destroy the best health care system in the world, America's. You really think everyone is going to get great care now? Conservatives are fighting to save our health care. Liberals think they are, but look at all of world history. Healthcare sucks in most countries that have single payer. That's why many come here for treatment paying out of pocket. Wait times can be up to years for procedures. And if they see that you're over life expectancy, they determine that certain procedures aren't approved (knee replacement, for example). In America, you can get a knee replacement almost immediately.

Where does this confidence in government come from? The private sector does everything better and more efficiently than government yet we think the government is somehow going to make healthcare more affordable and better? How is it possible to believe that?

If it wasn't true, wouldn't the USPS be making billions and UPS losing billions per year? Well, the opposite is true. Public vs Private.

The best healthcare in the world? Have you seen the world rankings for the healthiest people. We are way down the list. Apparently the 'best health care system in the world' doesn't translate into actual healthiness.

Conservatives are fighting to save the status quo, where healthcare is priced farther and farther out of reach for Americans. When Americans head overseas

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/health/for-medical-tourists-simple-math.html?_r=0

to get hip replacements because the cost is prohibitive here, you can see major problems in our system. The costs associated with our healthcare system are bankrupting this country. Politicians, particularly Conservatives, want to keep that system the way it is. It keeps the insurance, pharmaceutical, medical and hospital industries loading up Washington DC with campaign money.

But for everyday Americans? It doesn't do so much.
 
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Catatonic

Nine Lives
The best healthcare in the world? Have you seen the world rankings for the healthiest people. We are way down the list. Apparently the 'best health care system in the world' doesn't translate into actual healthiness.

Very good and true point.
Countries with healthy systems do it through cultural attributes like diet, exercise (mostly walking everywhere) and being outdoors a lot.
 

JL 0513

Well-Known Member
Very good and true point.
Countries with healthy systems do it through cultural attributes like diet, exercise (mostly walking everywhere) and being outdoors a lot.

True. The Japanese live the longest but their healthcare stinks (they have a huge shortage of doctors). Diet and lifestyle is the main contributor. Americans eat the most junk food and sit on their bums the most.
 

Dracula

Package Car is cake compared to this...
True. The Japanese live the longest but their healthcare stinks (they have a huge shortage of doctors). Diet and lifestyle is the main contributor. Americans eat the most junk food and sit on their bums the most.

And can't afford healthcare.
 

PiedmontSteward

RTW-4-Less
The best healthcare in the world? Have you seen the world rankings for the healthiest people. We are way down the list. Apparently the 'best health care system in the world' doesn't translate into actual healthiness.

Conservatives are fighting to save the status quo, where healthcare is priced farther and farther out of reach for Americans. When Americans head overseas

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/health/for-medical-tourists-simple-math.html?_r=0

to get hip replacements because the cost is prohibitive here, you can see major problems in our system. The costs associated with our healthcare system are bankrupting this country. Politicians, particularly Conservatives, want to keep that system the way it is. It keeps the insurance, pharmaceutical, medical and hospital industries loading up Washington DC with campaign money.

But for everyday Americans? It doesn't do so much.

Amen, brother. Some things simply should not be for-profit. These include: health care, schools, and prisons. Adding in a profit/loss motivation to any of these is absolutely not in the public's best interest.

It's an absolute disgrace that people in this country still cannot afford health care. The ACA made some small steps towards changing this, but anything less than single payer is a sham.
 

Dracula

Package Car is cake compared to this...
And part time employment in the US is going to skyrocket at the expense of full time work thanks solely to Obamacare. Since the law made a dividing line of 30 hours a week. Above, companies have to now provide plans or pay fines, below, they don't. Tons of companies have already cut back their workers to 29 or less.

From today's Wall Street Journal, A4, article by Ben Casselman:

Part-Time Work Still Up, but Health Law Isn't the Cause

Yeah, so there's that.
 

JL 0513

Well-Known Member
Amen, brother. Some things simply should not be for-profit. These include: health care, schools, and prisons. Adding in a profit/loss motivation to any of these is absolutely not in the public's best interest.

It's an absolute disgrace that people in this country still cannot afford health care. The ACA made some small steps towards changing this, but anything less than single payer is a sham.

How could health care be non-profit? You realize that would mean no advancement in the industry, right? We'd still have 1950's health care. Do you know a much it costs to develop a single life saving drug? Or a new advanced medical device? It's many 100's of millions.

Why do you think that America, by far, makes the most advancements in health care?

Unless the industry could scrape up billions through charitable donations. As it is, not enough money is being made which is why there's tons of charities that raise money for cancer research and other diseases.

You gotta think about what you're proposing.

Even if you're just referring to insurance company profit, you do realize that these insurance companies have among the lowest profit margins in the entire economy, right? It's just enough to maintain a company responsibly. Sure, the CEO's may make a lot of money, but it's peanuts when revenue is billions.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
How could health care be non-profit? You realize that would mean no advancement in the industry, right? We'd still have 1950's health care. Do you know a much it costs to develop a single life saving drug? Or a new advanced medical device? It's many 100's of millions.

​Don't you remember all those new drugs and medical devices that came out of Russia?
 

PiedmontSteward

RTW-4-Less
How could health care be non-profit? You realize that would mean no advancement in the industry, right? We'd still have 1950's health care. Do you know a much it costs to develop a single life saving drug? Or a new advanced medical device? It's many 100's of millions.

Why do you think that America, by far, makes the most advancements in health care?

Unless the industry could scrape up billions through charitable donations. As it is, not enough money is being made which is why there's tons of charities that raise money for cancer research and other diseases.

You gotta think about what you're proposing.

Even if you're just referring to insurance company profit, you do realize that these insurance companies have among the lowest profit margins in the entire economy, right? It's just enough to maintain a company responsibly. Sure, the CEO's may make a lot of money, but it's peanuts when revenue is billions.

You do realize that health care (ie. hospitals, outpatient services, primary care physicians, etc.) is a separate industry from pharmaceuticals and medical device manufacturing, right?
 

Dracula

Package Car is cake compared to this...
How could health care be non-profit? You realize that would mean no advancement in the industry, right? We'd still have 1950's health care. Do you know a much it costs to develop a single life saving drug? Or a new advanced medical device? It's many 100's of millions.

Why do you think that America, by far, makes the most advancements in health care?

Unless the industry could scrape up billions through charitable donations. As it is, not enough money is being made which is why there's tons of charities that raise money for cancer research and other diseases.

You gotta think about what you're proposing.

Even if you're just referring to insurance company profit, you do realize that these insurance companies have among the lowest profit margins in the entire economy, right? It's just enough to maintain a company responsibly. Sure, the CEO's may make a lot of money, but it's peanuts when revenue is billions.

You need to do your homework as far as life-saving drugs are concerned. Look it up. Most big ticket drugs are developed in universities and government laboratories. Then the people who work there, go private and take their work with them. It happens all of the time. Then, Big Pharma likes to claim that it takes $800 million to market a drug. They just leave out the part where the $800 million was spent by the government developing those drugs.
 

JL 0513

Well-Known Member
You need to do your homework as far as life-saving drugs are concerned. Look it up. Most big ticket drugs are developed in universities and government laboratories. Then the people who work there, go private and take their work with them. It happens all of the time. Then, Big Pharma likes to claim that it takes $800 million to market a drug. They just leave out the part where the $800 million was spent by the tax-payers developing those drugs.

Fixed for you (assuming some if it is true). Remember that whatever the government does, it's done with our hard earned wealth. Or they simply add to the $17,000,000,000,000.00 debt which will inevitably be the end of us.

There's often this idea (not suggesting you personally) that the government is an entity that just provides things with no consequence. I here people say it all the time. Talking about government benefits like no one's paying for them. "Free healthcare" and how it's a right. They are completely delusional. Do you know high high taxes are in all the countries with single payer systems? It's damn high. That's where we are headed. Get ready to pay for everyone else's health problems. Then again, we've already been doing it with Medicare and Medicaid. It's just going to get worse.
 

MassWineGuy

Well-Known Member
What do you propose? A Left Wing Revolution? In the middle of a right wing revolution?

That would be pretty damned nice.

As a casual driver for peak I'm getting $16.10 an hour, which after taxes is about 25 percent less. Then again, it's better than the driver helpers are paid. I'm not covered under the union contract. I do have to pay the initiation fee, though.
 
It is really rough being seasonal working as hard or harder for a 1/4 of the money. Being told "and if you do a really good job we may keep you on full time."
 

MassWineGuy

Well-Known Member
I'm not under any illusion that UPS will hire me on a permanent basis. They need to have some kind of carrot and stick to make people desperate. Yes, the money kind of sucks, but then again it's quite a bit more than I've been making lately, which would be zero. And aside from the rain and snow, it feels good to be out doing something, especially interacting with people (I'm not talking about other UPS drivers. I said people.)
 

bleedinbrown58

That’s Craptacular
I'm not under any illusion that UPS will hire me on a permanent basis. They need to have some kind of carrot and stick to make people desperate. Yes, the money kind of sucks, but then again it's quite a bit more than I've been making lately, which would be zero. And aside from the rain and snow, it feels good to be out doing something, especially interacting with people (I'm not talking about other UPS drivers. I said people.)
Are you under some illusion that drivers aren't people?? Even us package monkeys are mostly human lol.
 
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