How to sum up Orion

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by iruhnman630, Apr 20, 2019.

  1. iruhnman630

    iruhnman630 Well-Known Member

    Everytime I try to follow ORION:

    And yes, I do say the word 'sucks' with a smile
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  2. MECH-lift

    MECH-lift Union Brother

    Orion is a tool , not a solution ( yes your first stop is in your 8k shelf)
  3. DriverNerd

    DriverNerd Active Member

    I got a $20k a year raise to drive around more and deliver less. How exactly is this a bad thing?
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  4. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    Orion is the perfect example of managment trying to control via technology, without fully understanding the ramifications, the results of which is stressful to all, particularly the route driver.

    Successful route drivers are at certain locations during the day for specific reasons, usually these reasons have to do with being at another key location later in the day. ODO, set up correctly, serves this function well. Orion, with its "one note" matrix of cutting miles, completely fails to grasp this reality.

    The company would have done far better fine tuning ODO. You could cut some miles without the headaches. Don't reinvent the wheel, just make it roll a bit easier.
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  5. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

  6. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Not stressful at all to me.
  7. Heavy Package

    Heavy Package Well-Known Member

    The stupidity of forcing ORION without the ability to load the car (PAL / SPA labels) in ORION order, and the inability of UPS to fix this in short order is just a prime example of the piss poor management at UPS.

    Removal of RDO in November Peak season of 2018 is another jackass move made by moronic management.
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  8. Chnandler Bong

    Chnandler Bong Active Member

    It can’t be good for the long term success of the company. Inefficiency would seem to threaten our future pensions. There are plenty of possible obstacles to overcome in maintaining our pensions...we don’t need to be causing self-inflicted wounds.
  9. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    Our job is to pound nails.
    RDO is a hammer.
    ORION is a rubber spatula with glitter and ribbons on it.
    Our current method of basically to attach a rock to the glitter-covered spatula with baling wire and duct tape in order to jury-rig a crude replacement for the RDO hammer that the company took away from us so that they could make believe that the glitter covered spatula worked and give a raise to the guy who invented it.
  10. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    As drivers, we are supposed to follow the 340 methods.
    These methods are the very foundation of our job and are grilled into us from day one.
    Failure to follow these methods is grounds for discipline, up to and including termination.
    I downloaded a copy of the 340 methods and hghlighted the ones that are completely incompatible with ORION.
    The company has literally created a no-win scenario where we have been given conflicting instructions and we are wrong no matter which instruction we follow.
    Conflicting instructions under threat of discipline is harrassment and over-supervision, which are prohibited under article 37 of the contract.
    These are the methods that are incompatible with ORION:

    Section 1 paragraph 2—have a set routine
    Section 3 paragraph 4- minimize miles, choose travel path to avoid unneccesary delays
    Section 3 paragraph 5- use knowledge of delivery area
    Section 3 paragraph 6- follow planned pickup order and choose best path to minimize miles
    Section 3 paragraph 8-park appropriately for stops close together, park closest to stop with most difficult package handling situation
    Section 4- paragraph 1- planning ahead, negate the need for constant rechecking and rehandling of packages, make fine adjustments to delivery sequence to optimize walk path, visualize travel path for next few stops
    Section 4 paragraph 2–know your delivery area, deliver to addresses on the corner from cross streets, use preferred alternate delivery points for time sensitive deliveries
    Section 4 paragraph 3–remember 5 stops in advance.
    Section5 paragraph 3- face labels for selection and move stops forward to the selection area.
    Section 5 paragraph 5- visualize upcoming stops
    Section 5 paragraph 6- minimize package handling
    Section 5 paragraph 9- utilize 30-60” selection area, deliver sections in the same sequenceas numbered, deliver shelf 1 first, deliver rear door stops to clear floor space, utilize 60” floor selection area.
    Section 8 paragraph 2- plan ahead while walking to use optimum path to next stop, optimum storage for carry aid.
    Section 15 paragraph 2 section the car to contain pickup volume, keep pickup package seperate from remaining deliveries.

    If you follow the methods, you cant follow ORION.
    If you follow ORION, you cant follow the methods.

    The company needs to make a choice...
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  11. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    Some centers are worse than others with the numbers they want drivers to hit.
  12. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    Orion is TOOL alright.

    Prior to orion I was using a skill saw to cut trough the load. Delivering all available stops from one parked position. Able to zip up the even side of a busy street then down the odd side. Unloading bulk stops early and cleaning up areas along the way.

    Now Orion is like a jigsaw. I have to cut little puzzle pieces and fit them into the puzzle. Instead of delivering in a loop pattern, I am forced to deliver in a star pattern. If Orion worked, nobody could deliver a route in less miles than the solution.
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  13. ManInBrown

    ManInBrown Well-Known Member

  14. Wilson1397

    Wilson1397 Half the lies they tell about me aren't true!!

    And nobody would have late air or missed business!!
  15. no_map_needed

    no_map_needed Knowledge is key, Experience is power.

  16. I heard it steers you away from porches....
  17. no_map_needed

    no_map_needed Knowledge is key, Experience is power.

  18. Wilson1397

    Wilson1397 Half the lies they tell about me aren't true!!

    I hear you’re a D*.

    I guess I heard right!!
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  19. no_map_needed

    no_map_needed Knowledge is key, Experience is power.

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  20. Poop Head

    Poop Head Lovin' every minute of it!

    Orion is gay
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