Is the vote a strict majority vote?

35years

Gravy route
Is the vote on the tentative agreement a strict 50% plus one majority ratification?

Or are there stipulations like 50% of all eligible voters must vote otherwise 2/3 need to vote it down to kill the agreement?

Sorry for my ignorance.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Proud Deplorable
I was honestly surprised they didn't throw in one of those trendy tax cut type bonuses to convince people to accept the concessionary language.

Guess they're saving that for round two....
 

Smashmouth

Well-Known Member
Yes, just a majority. The 2/3 stipulation only applies to a last and final offer.

Well, the Teamster Constitution mentions final offer over and over, but I wouldnt be surprised if they dont interpret it that way.
I would say 50% +1 or it has to be 2/3 below 50%
 

opie

Well-Known Member
Well, the Teamster Constitution mentions final offer over and over, but I wouldnt be surprised if they dont interpret it that way.
I would say 50% +1 or it has to be 2/3 below 50%
I think that two thirds will reject this contract. This contract will be convincingly be voted down in my opinion.
 

Ancient Alien

UPS Vacation
Is the vote on the tentative agreement a strict 50% plus one majority ratification?

Or are there stipulations like 50% of all eligible voters must vote otherwise 2/3 need to vote it down to kill the agreement?

Sorry for my ignorance.
It'll be 2/3rds you can bank on that.

Amazon is set to take UPS on & UPS/IBT won't allow it.
 

Bubblehead

My Senior Picture
Art. XII, Sec. 2

When in the judgment of the negotiating committee
the involved employer has made a final offer of settlement,
such negotiating committee shall have the authority,
with the approval of the General Executive Board
, to
conduct agreement ratification votes
and strike votes on
such area, multi-area, multi-employer, national, company-
wide, industry-wide, or Local Union basis as the committee
shall determine, except that no such final offer
shall be considered to be a contract offer subject to ratifi-
cation by the membership until it has been reviewed by
the Local Unions which are the bargaining representatives
of the involved members. In the event a strike is
authorized, the said committee shall have the authority,
with the approval of the General Executive Board, to direct
that the strike be conducted on such area, multi-area,
multi-employer, national, company-wide, industry-wide,
Local Union, or such other selective basis as the committee
shall determine. Results of ratification or rejection
votes with respect to master agreements shall be determined
by all involved voting members on a cumulative
basis of all votes cast as follows:
(1) If at least one half of the members eligible to vote
cast valid ballots then a cumulative majority of
those voting in favor of the final offer shall result
in acceptance of such offer; and a cumulative majority
of those voting against acceptance of the final
offer shall authorize a strike without any additional
vote being necessary for such strike
authorization. A tie vote shall be resolved as provided
in Section 1(b)(l) of this Article.
(2) If less than half of the eligible members cast valid
ballots, then a two-thirds (2/3) vote of those voting
shall be required to reject such final offer and to
authorize a strike. The failure of such membership
to reject the final offer and to authorize a strike as
herein provided shall require the negotiating committee
to accept such final offer or such additional
provisions as can be negotiated by it.


Has anybody heard the Negotiating Commitee, or any General Executive Board member, state that this offer for ratification is a "final offer"???

All of the "talking heads" for the IBT, that claim to be "in the know" here on BC, dummy up when this question is posed....so I guess we will have to see if a contract will once again be forced down our throats due ridiculous Article 12 language that clearly circumvents the democratic process.

 

Bubblehead

My Senior Picture
Then, if we manage to get a No vote past Art. XII, Sec. 2, they will again have Art. XII, Sec. 6 to fall back on:

Section 6. The General Executive Board is empowered
to amend, delete, or add to this Article if at any time
it believes such action will be in the interests of the International
Union or its subordinate bodies.

This language, in my opinion, is the ultimate "trap door" for the IBT via the General Executive Board to completely disregard anything outlined in the Article.
 

DELACROIX

In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Catch 22's...

"What happens to the rank and file interests?"

"Are we still paying their salaries and technically saying the General Executive Board works for us?"
 

wide load

Starting wage is a waste of time.
It'll be 2/3rds you can bank on that.

Amazon is set to take UPS on & UPS/IBT won't allow it.
Also, Amazon needs to have and House their own products in addition to supply a service. UPS, FedEx, DHL and the like only need to offer a service. I don’t care if he is the richest nerd in the world but d you really think Besos can just cut a check to buy UPS? Not happening.
 

rod

Retired 19 years
I was honestly surprised they didn't throw in one of those trendy tax cut type bonuses to convince people to accept the concessionary language.

Guess they're saving that for round two....

you know it--- a $500 bonus to a part timer is a guaranteed YES vote. Then they get their check after taxes and kick themselves in the butt for selling out so cheap --again.
 

Tony Q

Well-Known Member
Art. XII, Sec. 2

When in the judgment of the negotiating committee
the involved employer has made a final offer of settlement,
such negotiating committee shall have the authority,
with the approval of the General Executive Board
, to
conduct agreement ratification votes
and strike votes on
such area, multi-area, multi-employer, national, company-
wide, industry-wide, or Local Union basis as the committee
shall determine, except that no such final offer
shall be considered to be a contract offer subject to ratifi-
cation by the membership until it has been reviewed by
the Local Unions which are the bargaining representatives
of the involved members. In the event a strike is
authorized, the said committee shall have the authority,
with the approval of the General Executive Board, to direct
that the strike be conducted on such area, multi-area,
multi-employer, national, company-wide, industry-wide,
Local Union, or such other selective basis as the committee
shall determine. Results of ratification or rejection
votes with respect to master agreements shall be determined
by all involved voting members on a cumulative
basis of all votes cast as follows:
(1) If at least one half of the members eligible to vote
cast valid ballots then a cumulative majority of
those voting in favor of the final offer shall result
in acceptance of such offer; and a cumulative majority
of those voting against acceptance of the final
offer shall authorize a strike without any additional
vote being necessary for such strike
authorization. A tie vote shall be resolved as provided
in Section 1(b)(l) of this Article.
(2) If less than half of the eligible members cast valid
ballots, then a two-thirds (2/3) vote of those voting
shall be required to reject such final offer and to
authorize a strike. The failure of such membership
to reject the final offer and to authorize a strike as
herein provided shall require the negotiating committee
to accept such final offer or such additional
provisions as can be negotiated by it.


Has anybody heard the Negotiating Commitee, or any General Executive Board member, state that this offer for ratification is a "final offer"???

All of the "talking heads" for the IBT, that claim to be "in the know" here on BC, dummy up when this question is posed....so I guess we will have to see if a contract will once again be forced down our throats due ridiculous Article 12 language that clearly circumvents the democratic process.
If this scenario plays out we should just impose the contract but we won’t. We will let the members call the shots. You can bank on this statement. You wanted a strike and if what balloon 2013 and 2014 plays out we will strike UPS.
 

Tony Q

Well-Known Member
Also, Amazon needs to have and House their own products in addition to supply a service. UPS, FedEx, DHL and the like only need to offer a service. I don’t care if he is the richest nerd in the world but d you really think Besos can just cut a check to buy UPS? Not happening.
Buying Fedex is the viable option. Bezos is no dummy. He ain’t taking on Pension liability.
 

wide load

Starting wage is a waste of time.
Buying Fedex is the viable option. Bezos is no dummy. He ain’t taking on Pension liability.
He might be very soon. Unless your help him out be talking his employees out of it. Since you’ll be retiring and not giving mad friend’s yo!
 

Bubblehead

My Senior Picture
If this scenario plays out we should just impose the contract but we won’t. We will let the members call the shots. You can bank on this statement. You wanted a strike and if what balloon 2013 and 2014 plays out we will strike UPS.
I challenge you to quote one of my posts where I stated I "want a strike"?

Why can't you just stick to the subject, instead of your usual scare tactic tangents?
You don't have to, but it would be refreshing.
 
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