Judgement day is coming.

[Ghost in the Darkness]

Perfect response. Can you answer this, why is Z still asking for money with only a couple days left?

No idea, I didn't vote for him.

 

[LeadBelly]

KH would have been better

K Hall will be there too. The name Jimmy Hoffa gets you in a lot of doors that some test hats running against him won't.

 

[LeadBelly]

Perfect response. Can you answer this, why is Z still asking for money with only a couple days left?

So he can get some new veneers???????????

 

[Bubblehead]

KH would have been better

And he will be.

Patience.

Then why the "cloak and dagger"?

 

[LeadBelly]

Daniel J. Tobin - Wikipedia

 

[Bubblehead]

Perfect response. Can you answer this, why is Z still asking for money with only a couple days left?

Because......
......he's still campaigning???

Say what you want, but nobody can deny that the Man has campaigned like a beast.

Fact



~Bbbl~™

 

[22.34life]

If the members voted based upon what hoffa has done instead of voting for who the b.a tells them too hoffa would lose

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

If the members voted based upon what hoffa has done instead of voting for who the b.a tells them too hoffa would lose

Our BA declined to endorse either candidate in both the IBT and Presidential election. He did endorse a candidate in our local NY Assembly election (he lost).

 

[Gimme Danger]

No idea, I didn't vote for him.

Yet you complain about a rigged system? That makes no sense.

 

[Ghost in the Darkness]

Yet you complain about a rigged system? That makes no sense.

You must not be in my local, certainly not in my center. The incumbents who committed election fraud 3 years ago have 0% support. Yet here we sit still with no representation until the election.

 

[burrheadd]

You must not be in my local, certainly not in my center. The incumbents who committed election fraud 3 years ago have 0% support. Yet here we sit still with no representation until the election.

Were they accused of election fraud or convicted

 

[Gimme Danger]

You must not be in my local, certainly not in my center. The incumbents who committed election fraud 3 years ago have 0% support. Yet here we sit still with no representation until the election.

My local leaders kicked out an old administration tied directly to the H administration. We don't vote H as a result.

 

[Ghost in the Darkness]

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Then why the "cloak and dagger"?

Why not? A guarantee?

 

[wide load]

Because......
......he's still campaigning???

Say what you want, but nobody can deny that the Man has campaigned like a beast.

Fact



~Bbbl~™

What does he need cash for in his last days? Because it's not for him. It's for TDU

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

What does he need cash for in his last days? Because it's not for him. It's for TDU

It is not uncommon for a national campaign to have debt on their books.

 

[10 point]

Local rigs election with voter fraud. We file charges, it goes to the joint counsel and they find improprieties but say in the end "nothing to see here". Hoffa looks the other way. Fast forward 2 years through more lavish spending (new vehicles, new office furniture on a yearly basis) they are forced to have a new impartial election supervisor this time around for the delegate election. Our so called "elected officials" get their asses kicked in this recent delgate and can't go to Vegas. Now through more campaigning during hall hours we get ready to have an election to take these scumbags down. Through numerous charges and despite losing many in court these ticks hang on.
If that isn't babysitting I don't know what you call it. It takes this long and with all eyes on this upcoming election we will take them down as long as its kept fair. But from what we have seen over the past 10 years the connections and favors they get from above, it seems that nothing is a guarantee until its a done deal.

Did you send the protests to the OLMS office of the DOL after you exhausted the internal union remedies?
Is that the "court" you were talking about?

 

[Ghost in the Darkness]

Yeah, they wouldn't touch it either. They said let the joint counsel handle it. Like I said they found improprieties but stopped short of election fraud. There have been many lawsuits since and a good many have stuck but like a tick they are burrowed in. The only good that has come is the election sup is completely impartial and not connected at all to the union. It just makes you wonder why aren't these things set up that way in the first place. Too many fishy things happen for us to believe there isn't corruption keeping them in place. But we got them where we want them now and if this election is kept fair like the delegate election than this time we will get them out. But keep in mind all this time we have had no representation.

 

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Yeah, they wouldn't touch it either. They said let the joint counsel handle it. Like I said they found improprieties but stopped short of election fraud. There have been many lawsuits since and a good many have stuck but like a tick they are burrowed in. The only good that has come is the election sup is completely impartial and not connected at all to the union. It just makes you wonder why aren't these things set up that way in the first place. Too many fishy things happen for us to believe there isn't corruption keeping them in place. But we got them where we want them now and if this election is kept fair like the delegate election than this time we will get them out. But keep in mind all this time we have had no representation.

Election sup in very partial. Very sympathetic to TDU. I'm sorry, I'm just not buying your story. Every avenue you took you claimed an impedance. Maybe, just maybe, your claim just lacks merit. I'm sure you feel strongly about these charges but at some point you just need to be truthful to yourself.

 

[Bubblehead]

What does he need cash for in his last days? Because it's not for him. It's for TDU

....or perhaps the campaign has spent more than it has collected.