Let’s be serious for a sec

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Faceplanted, Aug 3, 2018.

  1. And nobody is really mentioning how we are changing surepost to benefit us and get more stops. I used to deliver 100+ packages every day to this post office, and I would see 15-20 packages every day for streets that I had stops on that day. Those packages will now be coming to us. Small, easy stops. Also, why can’t the company do well? It seems like every person with a complaint about the contract doesn’t want the company to do well. Yeah the 22.4s will help the company save money. It that a bad thing when we are competing with everyone else? And speaking of that, full-on weekend delivery is a huge experiment for the company, and shouldn’t we be hoping it succeeds for the future of the company? If the company doesn’t do well, we don’t have somewhere to work. The relationship should be symbiotic, and it seems like these people think it’s an actual battle.
     
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  2. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    UPS made $4.9 billion in net profit last year on the backs of employees who work harder and longer than those of any other delivery company. UPS is competing just fine.
     
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  3. siouxman

    siouxman siouxman

    In my opinion in the next decade UPS will not be the largest package delivery service in the world. Fed ex already has a bigger foot print around the globe.Fed ex has newer facilities which was UPS es competive advantage.Our facilities are 2 to 5 years behind the competion and we are spending billions trying to catch up.they pay the workers less especially the ground folks.
     
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  4. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Ever seen the inside of a FedEx truck at 11am? There’s a good reason their drivers are paid less.

    And the billions on facilities are being spent now so the Company can play the poor card during Contract negotiations. If that weren’t the case, the Company would have actually built 2-5 years ago when labor costs were lower and interest rates less.
     
  5. reginald95

    reginald95 Active Member

    Stop crying wolf. Part time cover drivers are essentially hybrid drivers at the moment. They don’t have the same protections as regular drivers and no pension or center seniority at a lower pay rate. No drivers are resenting those guys for doing our job.

    There is plenty of work to go around.
     
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  6. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Part time covers are not equivalent to hybrids. They’re often given manageable days and they don’t do the job daily year round. So they don’t really need protections.

    And they do get PT pensions and insurance where I am.

    Source: Was one for several years.
     
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  7. reginald95

    reginald95 Active Member

    Depends in your region. I was a part time cover driver year round for 4 years before I went full time. I was never sent back to preload except the first year. We do get a pension the part time pension but not the full time pension the drivers have.
     
  8. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Plenty of 22.4s will wish they could go back to preload and get that PT pension when they realize they’ve signed up to be meat pieces that will have every stop possible thrown at them to keep them off RPCD routes.

    And that’s not fearmongering. It’s exacty why they won’t have any overtime protections. And why RPCDs will only have a 40 hour guarantee “if work is available”.
     
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  9. siouxman

    siouxman siouxman

    Ups always plays the poor card innegotiations We have run of room in our center and are currently renting another building a parking lot. We have had some poor leader ship the past 5 years and are paying for it now.look at what ups per package and it has been falling the last few years.The fed ex ground guys are contractors and do make less no benefits etc.tuff competitor
     
  10. Benben

    Benben Working on a new degree, Masters in BS Detecting!

    Put the peace pipe down, the incoherence is hurting my head!
     
  11. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    Start a 22.4 job now @22 years old and retire @ 51 with a 90K+ pension.
     
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  12. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Work a yearly average of 62 hours a week for your first several years and see if you make it that far.
     
  13. Benben

    Benben Working on a new degree, Masters in BS Detecting!

    OMFG! OK lets assume that shall we? Whats this driver looking at?

    1. First knee surgery at 31.
    2. First lower back surgery at 36 (partial discetomy.)
    3. Second Knee surgery (other knee) at 38.
    3. Lower back fusion (2 segments) at 40.
    4. New knee at 41!
    5. Carpal Tunnel surgery at 42.
    6. Ankle and heal surgery at 44.
    7. Second new knee at 46.
    8. Ankle fusion at 48, (this is the killer, the writing is on the wall, you don't ever recover 100% from this)
    9. Next 2 years the driver is out more than he works from shoulder, elbow and back problems the doctor can not fix with surgery! Just plain "worn out."
    10. Retires at 51 unable to walk more than a mile at a time. Self medicates to get though the day in his Lazy Boy and dies of a combination of heart disease, Liver failure and pancreatic cancer at 53.

    11. But hey UPS isn't to blame, his wife gets to know Turdferguson on a personal level!
     
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  14. WTFm8

    WTFm8 Active Member


    How long ago were you PT Cover? 3 of my last 8 weeks were 58 hours... mid March through mid June was 50-55hr weeks. Not complaining financially, I'm hired from the street 9.5 months ago. Other times since start of year till now have been 18 (unload)-35 hours (drive 1 during week and Saturday air/pickups).
     
  15. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    What a bunch of bs.
     
  16. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    I’m only allowed to work 60. But until that’s a problem, it isn’t a problem.
     
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  17. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    The average including 70 hours during peak season.

    Applying that logic to all of the weak 2018 Contract language could lead to a lot of regret among those who didn't think they needed to push back against it when they had a chance.
     
  18. The Real Jack RyanMI6

    The Real Jack RyanMI6 Active Member

    Teamsters in heated talks with UPS over new contract
    By John Schulz · February 12, 2018

    In a statement, UPS emphasized it is seeking “flexibility”(Flexibility = 22.4)to remain competitive in the rapidly changed e-commerce and small package landscape...

    One of the union’s initial demands was firm language against use of drones for deliveries. But somewhat mysteriously...the union’s Package Division watered down that contract proposal to prevent job elimination due to technology.

    The company also wants flexibility to allow management to designate up to 20 percent of the routes in each center as a residential route. Drivers on residential routes would be paid at a lower rate than regular parcel delivery personnel.

    UPS also wants to implement Sunday delivery work with the option of using part-time drivers to deliver ground and be required to use their own vehicles.

    SO LET'S BE SERIOUS FOR A SEC...
    1. February 12 2018
    2. UPS Wants Drones Check.
    3. UPS Wants 20% Lower Rate Drivers Check. Oh Sorry They Got 25%, Or 25+% if They can demonstrate NEED???
    4. UPS Wants Sunday Delivery Check. 22.4 Tuesday Thru Saturday AND Wednesday Thru Sunday.

    Soooo Let's Be Real Serious And Crystal Clear Who The HE## Wrote The Contract You Are Voting Yes On???

    Teamsters in heated talks with UPS over new contract
    John D. Schulz
    Trucking Industry Expert - Contributing Editor - Logistics Management Magazine
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  19. Doubleparkedrunner

    Doubleparkedrunner Active Member

    forgive me; I must have missed the part where UPS isn't making money anymore.

    I fail to see why they would have a hard time hiring and paying more RPCDs if they had more volume to deliver as this extra volume thus far has only translated into more profit.

    I would think they would just end up making more money.

    I also thinks this brings up another important point that gets lost on the bean counters: UPS used to be known for its exceptional service. Customers paid a premium for the better service and they actually still do, believe it or not but I think that pool is shrinking as we get more and more away from good service and closer and closer to a sweatshop only concerned with cost cutting measures.
     
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  20. When I see the company moving proximity stops to ups drivers for final mile delivery and when they honor the rest of the surepost language that's been in the cba for years then I'll say you're right.

    Until then I'll say you're out of the loop.

    They break the contract all the time and for your information...

    It is a battle. A battle to make them adhere to the things they promised to do and abide by in the contract they signed.

    Wake up to reality.