Reading the Brown Cafe I see such a rift between Management and Employees. It seems the Union Stewarts rule the roost in the UPS world. My question, has it always been like that? How did it evolve into that? Who is to blame, agressive management or lazy employees? Kind of what came first, the chicken or the egg kind of thing. The reason I ask is that I have been with UPS for 16 years. Last year, we got a pre-load put in and everything changed. With the driver sort and load the drivers has a lot of input involving our own dispatch. We were able to push and pull based on our own judgement and as long as you had an 8 hr plan all was good. Yes, it wasn't always perfect but it is better than it is now. With the pre-load we have no rights, we come to work and have to deliver just whats in our cars even when it makes no scence. The management approach is discipline first and foremost. Our union activity has skyrocketed and managment seems to embrase the rift between them and employees. I'd say we just have a bad group of management presently, but they seem to have simply leveled off to how UPS is being run elsewhere. I guess much has to do with the growth of our center. It is much harder to manage people on a larger capacity and it becomes more of a cookie cutter approach with red tape clouding the common sence and good judgement. Now, I'm not blaming either side for the union approach, or the union for that matter. I just liked it the way it used to be. We knew we had the security of the union, but they were pretty much out of site and mind and really worked as a team with management. Our teamster union rep said we had something special and wishes he could bottle it! This rift seems to be a UPS culture now and everyone seems to accept it. I think it really holds the companys potential back.