Discussion in 'Current Events' started by toonertoo, May 8, 2008.

  1. toonertoo

    toonertoo Most Awesome Dog Staff Member

    What a tragedy, but I have to ask, If they do not want our help, why do we insist?
  2. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    It is such a tragedy and it's sad their gov't is such a roadblock to people who want to help.

    As for the "but I have to ask" part?

    We have a 150 plus year history of insisting ourselves on others so why should we stop now! A bit of truth but a bit of tongue in cheek too.


    Seriously, let's hope relief efforts are allowed in to help these people.
  3. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    I'm for offering a couple times and then turn those boats around and give the goods to others.

    The news said we were talking about air-dropping the aid with or without permission from their military rule.
  4. toonertoo

    toonertoo Most Awesome Dog Staff Member

    Which is stupid, give it up, help those who help themselves. They dont want help, fine, we will send our billions somewhere else. Im all for helping, but Im not going to drive down the road throwing 100 dollar bills out the window. That is what this would be with no control on where the supllies go. I dont get it. It would be like drowning and refusing a life raft. Coz you dont like the guy throwing it to you.
  5. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    That's the way it is with backward countries under military Cuba & Castro.

    There is $60 million in med. supplies sitting in Santa Barbara just waiting for the OK to take the supplies to Burma.....that's right, BURMA.

    We learn our geography in school and then these countries go and change their Persia too.

    Anyway, I'm sorry for the people (families) that live there. But the USA can't fix everything and we need the provisions to go where it will be accepted instead of left to rot while red tape delays everything.
  6. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Headline from Fox News site.........

    YANGON, Myanmar — The U.N. is suspending aid shipments to Myanmar after the government began seizing the supplies.
    A U.N. official said Myanmar's junta has confiscated all the food and equipment that the World Food Program had flown into the country for cyclone victims.
  7. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    The UPS Foundation Donates $200,000 to Myanmar Relief Effort: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance
  8. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    They re-gifted...

    Myanmar junta hands out aid boxes with generals' names - Yahoo! News
  9. scratch

    scratch Least Best Moderator Staff Member

    Typical communist tactic. We have a naval group nearby that was practicing for a disaster relief drill when this typhoon hit. Our ships are loaded with relief supplies and our helicopters could deliver it anywhere in a few hours. This government doesn't want helicopters with US Marines and US Navy on them saving the lives of their civilians when they can do nothing to help them. Their propaganda is more important than actually doing something about this disaster themselves.
  10. HazMatMan

    HazMatMan New Member

    Good post Tooner.
    How about sending our billions to the victims of Hurricane Katrina, those poor people still have no place to live...And last time I checked they live in America where our emergency money should be spent FIRST. I am all for helping others, but we should help our OWN first. Many People go to bed hungry in America also, let's feed them first..
  11. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    Leaving out the enormous amount of money the Federal Government spent(probably close to 116 billion) which I do not think they should have, charities have spent over four billion dollars on Katrina relief efforts. So we did help our own first.
  12. HazMatMan

    HazMatMan New Member

    Ask those victims if they think they were helped enough.
  13. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

  14. HazMatMan

    HazMatMan New Member

    Why not?
  15. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    Well for starters I do not spend my time walking around asking people random, meaningless questions. You suggested I ask people the question and I thought maybe you had a reason. I spent my vacation last week in Biloxi and Gulfport and got to talk to some locals.
  16. HazMatMan

    HazMatMan New Member

    My reason would be one of curiosity. I wonder how many of those people felt they were helped enough, that is all.
  17. toonertoo

    toonertoo Most Awesome Dog Staff Member

    Im curious also. I havent heard a peep on the news, (which doesnt mean their havent been any) from Mississipi. Most just from New Orleans. I have read several pieces where people have moved there for opportunity in rebuilding. We sent them an awful lot of money, why havent they been able to rebuild the area??
  18. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    You are right there was an awful lot of money sent for aid.

    I was overseas when Katrina hit and all I knew was a hurricane hit. I had no idea the amount of damage that was done. I flew into Gulfport about five months after the storm. I visited the coast one year ago and again last week.

    I am guessing the question is why have they not finished rebuilding the area. I am not sure what the real answer is but my guess is that it is two part. First they were worse off than if they had nothing. The amount of debris that had to be removed before they had nothing is very hard to explain. Pictures do not do the damage any justice at all. By the time I had first seen the area again they had already been working for five months and the amount of destruction was still very great. There was damage 75 miles inland. The Federal and State Government type things look to be finished or close to finished. The port and the highway 110 bridge. There were still no marinas and this would be fairly simple to rebuild so I am not sure if no one wants to rebuild them or if there is no insurance available or what.(There has been a big stink in MS about insurance since Katrina) So I think the second part of the reason is a lack of desire to rebuild some things. There are still lots with debris and still vacant lots. No one is working on some of these lots and I have no idea what the reason was. One guy had a very expensive motor home on one. The casinos were all open. The beach was close to being rebuilt.

    None of the mom and pop type beach stores were rebuilt. Where I had remembered one it was replaced with a beach front waffle house. No joke I almost took a picture it was so unbelievable.

    The improvement on the Mississippi gulf coast has been steady. I am not sure why some places were rebuilt faster than others but I suspect there are a number of reasons.

    As far as why more is not on the news about the Mississippi coast I think that even though the damage was severe on the coast it affected more people in a smaller area in New Orleans.

    Haz man,

    I would never think to go around asking people if they thought that charities gave them enough money. To me that would seem out of line and a little rude and a little to forward. I will say people seemed grateful for the help they received. I have friends that live in the area and I could not imagine even asking them something like that. It may be that we are from such different parts of the country but it would seem to me that if I were in that situation and someone asked me if I had gotten enough Charity I would be grateful and say yes and thank you no matter what amount it was.
  19. HazMatMan

    HazMatMan New Member

    Actually, I didn't mean for you to actually ask them, I know that is how it looks (my apologies) It just ticks me off to see people like that suffering (still) And that we should take care of our own first here in the states and then extend our charities elsewhere (does that sound selfish?).
  20. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    Oh no not selfish. I personally think it is a personal decision if you give to a charity and if so how much and to which ones. My personal decision would be to give to a Katrina relief charity and not to a Burma relief charity with my limited funds. I cannot knock someone for giving to any charity however.