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[Instigator]

You forgot z's political aspirations and his feeling being hurt by Hoffa a couple years earlier.

President Z's only aspiration is to stop the continuing decline of standards, to stop cowards like hall from ever negotiating another substandard UPS contract when UPS posted record profits and giving up the right to strike in negotiations with the largest Teamster employer.

 

[Lead Belly]

To set the record straight, the time we attempted to negotiate was from the time I clocked into the guard shack to the time I get to my work area. Most times it takes 40 to 50 minutes because the company does not have the busses. It takes as long to get out. So for a 3 hour PT air employee the day is almost 5 hours in and out of the property. Has nothing to do with walking through parking lots which of course is additionaL time. We were negotiating solutions to the problem when the IBT imposed the contract.

So you are a 3 hour employee that is there 4.5 too 5 hours a day?

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

No way in hell I would work a $10 an hour part time Job that took an unpaid hour to get to from parking lot work3 hours then another hour to get to my car. Not including driving from home. That is unheard of. Don't know why anyone would deal with like half of there day, being treated like crap, for $30. Before taxes a day.

 

[Lead Belly]

I guess you heard that from some guy you met in the men's room. I was on the Local 89 Supplemental negotiating committee so I will shed some light on your ridiculous posts. Local 89 had their healthcare in the Supplement and we recognized very early the IBT was negotiating concessions via a reduction in benefits and we would not accept that. Many other issues were left on the table when the contract was imposed on us including full time jobs, safety related issues, resolution for unnecessary travel time, seniority, overtime, etc. so tell your friend in the men's room he should get the facts before exercising that pea brain.

What was the percentage of members that actually voted on your supplements. The second time in particular. What was this ratio?

 

[Instigator]

So you are a 3 hour employee that is there 4.5 too 5 hours a day?

No, I'm a 3 hour air employee who gets 3 hours a day except during peak

 

[Instigator]

No way in hell I would work a $10 an hour part time Job that took an unpaid hour to get to from parking lot work3 hours then another hour to get to my car. Not including driving from home. That is unheard of. Don't know why anyone would deal with like half of there day, being treated like crap, for $30. Before taxes a day.

Used to be for the benefits. Then the IBT changed the health care benefits from 30 days to qualify to 18 months. Now it's 12 months because the law changed but as everyone knows now we have reduced benefits.

 

[realbrown1]

How can I back them if I'm not 100% sure of what they were holding out for? LOL. If it was for the parking lot issue then there is no way I could have supported them. Are you talking about Louisville? How many other Americans that don't work at UPS have worse commutes than that?

I once worked in a factory where I had to spend an average of 10 minutes (that's after the 25/30 minute commute) navigating the numerous parking lots to find a space. Then after waiting another 5 min to go through security I had another 5 to 10 walking the entire length of the sprawling complex to my work station during which I usually had to wait line to clock in. So, not including the actual drive from my house to the entrance to the parking lots I had an average of 30 minutes of time on property that didn't count for anything. Not quite as long as Louisville hub but the property I worked on wasn't near that size. And I only made $9.50/hr with no health insurance bennies (those that did have them didn't have anything close to what a part-timer at UPS has and had to pay monthly) and no college tuition. You see where I'm going with this? And it's like that at many other places all over the country. Even union shops I'm sure. So, to me definitely not worth a fight. Especially if it holds up the rest of the country.

When you get to the mindset that you think you can decide for others what is and what is not worthy to strike over, you have entered OG Cheerleader territory.

Because that is what they believe.

 

[Instigator]

What was the percentage of members that actually voted on your supplements. The second time in particular. What was this ratio?

Almost 50%

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

Used to be for the benefits. Then the IBT changed the health care benefits from 30 days to qualify to 18 months. Now it's 12 months because the law changed but as everyone knows now we have reduced benefits.

Quickly turning into a job nobody wants. Far cry from 20 years ago............

 

[Lead Belly]

I guess you heard that from some guy you met in the men's room. I was on the Local 89 Supplemental negotiating committee so I will shed some light on your ridiculous posts. Local 89 had their healthcare in the Supplement and we recognized very early the IBT was negotiating concessions via a reduction in benefits and we would not accept that. Many other issues were left on the table when the contract was imposed on us including full time jobs, safety related issues, resolution for unnecessary travel time, seniority, overtime, etc. so tell your friend in the men's room he should get the facts before exercising that pea brain.

So three hour employees are on the negotiating committee?

 

[wide load]

Exactly.

Who is your rep?

 

[Instigator]

So three hour employees are on the negotiating committee?

Yes we have PT on the negotiating committee

 

[realbrown1]

I've been through it. But I knew it beforehand and chose to do it anyway when I was hired. And even if it had been a surprise I still wouldn't have thought much of it other than "man this sucks...I have to leave an extra 30 minutes early for work everyday!" By the time I would get out of the factory I was talking about and get home I'd usually have 10-15 minutes (often much less) before I'd have to head out to UPS. It sucked. It really did but many, many Americans (in addition to people in other countries) do it everyday and aren't willing to strike over it. But I find it hard to believe all that was over that issue.

Maybe those other people don't have the ability to strike.

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

Who is your rep?

@IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U is not one to throw others under the bus. He is from PA

 

[Instigator]

Quickly turning into a job nobody wants. Far cry from 20 years ago............

Hoffa beats his chest saying Walmart workers should get $15 an hour and sells out UPS workers for $10 an hour.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Hoffa beats his chest saying Walmart workers should get $15 an hour and sells out UPS workers for $10 an hour.

Apples and oranges.

 

[5habits100]

That is exactly what it was about and I do know for sure, because I took a couple of days off and went there to help them handbill the Worldport.
I read the literature and talked to the employees and it was all about their struggles to get to their work area, as well as their desire to be compensated for their time once they hit the gates.

That's a fact.

It's also a fact that the goal post kept moving.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

@IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U is not one to throw others under the bus. He is from PA

Well...can I throw Hoffa under???? Please,please?????

 

[Instigator]

Apples and oranges.

Great response. He had a great opportunity to support UPS Teamsters and blew it, now he's worried about Walmart workers.

 

[Lead Belly]

Almost 50%

I remembered it as less but what does that tell you about how much of a priority it was for your members.