Again you are missing the point. Companies have left California and other high tax states for many places including overseas. This left a lot of people without jobs but still responsible for paying high taxes. Many of those people have thus left and moved to places like Texas where there are jobs. Texas benefits, California and other states are left struggling to pay the high pay and great benefits they've obligated themselves to. Wisconsin is just the tip of the iceberg. Take New Jersey. Christie has already instituted reforms that some are very angry about but New Jersey's bottom line has improved. He'll be reelected in a state that's solidly Democrat because a tough SOB is exactly what they need and they know it. Forget capitalism, socialism, and all the buzzwords. There's X amount of money to go around, less than there was when times were good, and an electorate less willing to pay for other's great salaries and benefits while they struggle.
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Again you are missing the point. Companies have left California and other high tax states for many places including overseas. This left a lot of people without jobs but still responsible for paying high taxes. Many of those people have thus left and moved to places like Texas where there are jobs. Texas benefits, California and other states are left struggling to pay the high pay and great benefits they've obligated themselves to. Wisconsin is just the tip of the iceberg. Take New Jersey. Christie has already instituted reforms that some are very angry about but New Jersey's bottom line has improved. He'll be reelected in a state that's solidly Democrat because a tough SOB is exactly what they need and they know it. Forget capitalism, socialism, and all the buzzwords. There's X amount of money to go around, less than there was when times were good, and an electorate less willing to pay for other's great salaries and benefits while they struggle.
People have left Texas for China. So people left CA for Texas, it's not like the taxes go up for those left behind in CA (in some indirect ways it has I give you). But in general you get counties and cities being short on budget. Could CA drop some of their taxes on business? Yes it's a choice. But then it becomes how much gov't welfare you are ok with? Any biz of size gets some. If you cater and adjust to business needs it all leads back to the same things how jobs led to china and cheap labor.
If all states had zero taxes for business, then the states would have to offer even more. And they do! Business will want millions to move there. Once everyone has that, then they'll start demanding billions. There will always be competition for business, some states have a standard they stick to, others adjust as they see fit. People have a choice if they want to move to whatever state they want if that is how they choose a residence. Texas isn't pure free, they forced Amazon out because they wanted evil tax dollars. We keep going the way we are, more of Texas will become too expensive vs other countries. And then it will be Texas's fault. If ultimately everyone goes for the cheapest solutions, then workers will end up losing. State vs State is just a temporary thing, still evolving and sifting down.
Please reread my previous post. The high tax states have less revenue because many businesses and individuals have left, reducing the amount of tax revenue. That's it, period. Doesn't matter where those people or companies went to. They still have less revenue, but they obligated themselves to pay big money and great benefits to gov't workers. Now they are struggling to do that. For some reason some people think you can tax, and tax, and tax, and spend, and spend, and spend, without there ever being a day of reckoning. And saying all those low tax states will be high tax states eventually proves what? They very well may be, or they might be managed more conservatively. But RIGHT NOW is where most people live, and right now low tax states are doing better in this economy. It's not rocket science. I can stay in Burlington, Vt and scrape by or take a transfer to Orlando and have a nicer home and lower costs and can even save some on a little less salary. And no snow!
Again,this guy is never wrong ? Why are you at Fedex ? A Conservative think tank could you someone like you. Wait they are the ones who make this stuff up,you seem to be regurgitating everything they say. At least change the wording a little so people will think you are actually saying it.
FedEx said on Monday it could be in danger of losing the U.S. Postal Service as its largest customer.
The financially strapped post office has informed FedEx and rival UPS that it will seek competitive proposals for air transportation services that are under contract to FedEx through September 2013.
"Accordingly, upon the expiration of the current agreement, the transportation services we provide to the USPS could be transitioned, in whole or in part, to another provider," FedEx said in an annual report filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
"This would have a negative impact on our asset utilization and profitability," the company stated.
FedEx has carried First Class, Priority and Express Mail for the Postal Service under contracts dating to 2000, using the extra volume to maximize efficiency of its domestic fleet and the Memphis hub.
I thought this was the topic ?
The financially strapped post office has informed FedEx and rival UPS that it will seek competitive proposals for air transportation services that are under contract to FedEx through September 2013.
"Accordingly, upon the expiration of the current agreement, the transportation services we provide to the USPS could be transitioned, in whole or in part, to another provider," FedEx said in an annual report filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
"This would have a negative impact on our asset utilization and profitability," the company stated.
FedEx has carried First Class, Priority and Express Mail for the Postal Service under contracts dating to 2000, using the extra volume to maximize efficiency of its domestic fleet and the Memphis hub.
I thought this was the topic ?
Nope, I am actually saying it in my own words. Instead of the usual liberal personal attack, show me where I'm wrong. He made his points, I made mine. However in Liberal World only liberal thoughts are to be uttered. That's why guys like you can't stand FOX News. Whether you watch it or not, just knowing opinions different than your own are being expressed on tv just grinds on you. Especially when points presented often show the fallacy of liberal arguments and win people over on an issue. It's why FOX viewership has grown so much, people are tired of being told what to think, but FOX allows honest debate between liberals and conservatives so that people can think for themselves. And that threatens Liberal World.
Really what liberals ? You mean DINOS. There is a reason I don't watch Fox News, I want news not an ideology. I have my own opinions and don't really need someone to tell me what to say. Everything you say is a Fox talking point. I will not waste my time to quote every single one of them. But since you claim they are yours. Where is the research you have done ? Also the polls you have taken ? How much legwork have you done to reach these conclusions ? Or are you just quoting what you have read and state verbatim like most conservatives ? Free of Facts,big on lies. Please dude run those lines on the uninformed not the informed. I have nothing further to say about this. If I want partisan politics I'll watch C-Span.
I'm not talking partisan politics, I'm talking about the reality on the ground. Businesses pulled out of many high tax, high cost states, taking their jobs with them. People put out of work with few jobs in a bad economy left looking for work. The result is those states got a double hit of lost revenue and are struggling to make ends meet. Sorry about the Liberal World comments but if you are going to attack me I tend to fire back...
As for my research, I read The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, USAToday, The Economist, watch both FOX News and MSNBC. I repeat what I read and hear from people who know more than I, and I often draw my own conclusions. As for Liberals on FOX, Bob Beckel, who's worked in several Democrat administrations as well as ran several presidential campaigns. Numerous others who are invited on representing numerous liberal organizations who argue their points very vehemently. James Carville was on the other night. Numerous Democrat Congressmen have been on. Apparently giving their very opposite views while not devolving into cursing and name calling isn't good enough for some. I just don't see this level of bi-partisan discussion on MSNBC. I do see a lot of smugness and name calling and on occasion down right distortion of quotes on MSNBC. You say you don't watch FOX, but say everything I say is a FOX talking point. By the way, I think Sean Hannity is way too pro big business. I sometimes disagree with Bill O'Reilly but despite attacks on him I've seen him strive to be balanced and hear opposing opinions. Come over to the Dark Side Lordtekk...
Really Fox game book if I disagree I'm a liberal. See no need for me to say more you have already answered it.
A poll by Farleigh Dickinson University in New Jersey showed that of all the news channels out there, Fox News viewers are the least informed.
Nuff Said.
Really, a poll in heavily Democrat New Jersey came to that conclusion? ROFLMFAO!!!
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Farleigh Dickinson University in New Jersey, Poll was not taken in New Jersey but done by a college in New Jersey, ROFLMFAO
How do you know where it was taken? And what were the leading questions? "Excuse me, but do you think FOX News viewers are uninformed morons"?
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texan
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But what drives certain people bonkers......
Fox is number 1 in ratings... So there are more of them, than the other. Oh my
thedownhillEXPRESS
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Thats why they live in crazyland, the rest of Americans get variety, republicans on the other hand just get crazier, and more distanced from reality....
texan
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If that gives you comfort then run with that.
The are totally not balanced so one could say uninformed. If anyone is just watching them, it is so easy to be brainwashed, I was one years ago. I know some of my family members are and it's sad how they think this ideals benefits them as if they are the 1%. Morons? I wouldn't go that far. I know the talking heads couldn't be more biased because those guys are protecting their own windfalls of easy money in this setup and well the boss wouldn't have it any other way.
Actually I could care less if they are number one or number 50,how does that benefit me ? Will I see some money ? By the way they also have the oldest,whitest,least educated viewers. Something to take pride in.
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