wilberforce15
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What does it say?Absolutely not the video speaks for itself, it never gets old
Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.
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Thebrownblob
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Our 2019 Tesla Model 3’s Efficiency Varied Widely Month to Month
A two-year stint in a Model 3 during Michigan’s four seasons shows how climate affects an electric vehicle’s efficiency.
Until they figure out batteries and cold-weather EV‘s will not be practical to anyone without A garage to parking nightly.
wilberforce15
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Garages are generally the same temperature as the outside.Our 2019 Tesla Model 3’s Efficiency Varied Widely Month to Month
A two-year stint in a Model 3 during Michigan’s four seasons shows how climate affects an electric vehicle’s efficiency.www.caranddriver.com
Until they figure out batteries and cold-weather EV‘s will not be practical to anyone without A garage to parking nightly.
And the cold doesn't affect the practicality for anyone close to being an average driver.
The average driver is home every night and drives the entire range of the car in a week. It's simply not an issue.
You keep saying it's an issue. But the numbers say it's not an issue. You can remove half the range in the cold, and it simply doesn't affect the vast majority of people.
Thebrownblob
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And you keep saying it’s not an issue but everyone else says it is, I think I’ll trust everyone else.
wilberforce15
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All the other ignorant boomers on this very narrow site say it is. The 2 million people buying a Tesla this year say it's not.
The average driver goes less than 300 miles per week, and is home every night, and has power at home.
The range of the EV is basically irrelevant for such a person no matter how much winter lowers it.
Thebrownblob
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Well the only ignorant one here would be you calling people boomers, those guys retired a long time ago. Funny you say garage is the same temperature. I would imagine someone who owns a Tesla and spent 50 to 100,000, also has a garage with a heater. I have a three car garage with a heater myself. My buddy has a six car garage he never takes his Tesla out in the cold.
wilberforce15
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You don't seem to understand what average is. The question is whether a Tesla works for the average person in winter.
The average person with a garage does not have a heated garage.
And the average driver has power at home, and drives less than 300 miles per week.
The average driver would experience zero inconvenience from a Tesla in winter.
You can tell your friend he doesn't need to heat his garage.
wilberforce15
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Boomers are 58 to 76, and in my neck of the woods, that's more than half of the fatty feeder guys with 3 ex-wives who can't or won't retire yet, and maybe 1/3 of the package car guys trying to limp into retirement.
Thebrownblob
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You don’t seem to understand the average person isn’t trying to spend 50 K on a car. I know very few people without a heater in the garage where I live it’s almost necessary. Parking your car in a parking lot all night in 0° weather with a battery is definitely an inconvenience.
wilberforce15
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You just changed the metric to cost. I didn't say the average person could afford it. The question is whether the vehicle is inconvenient. It's not.
Parking in 0 degree weather is not an inconvenience if you have power or drive an average number of miles. That's what an average person has.
wilberforce15
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When exactly would a Tesla be inconvenient in winter?
When you can't get to where you want to go.
So, you better be driving over 150 miles in a day in 0 degree weather. Then, it's inconvenient. That's basically nobody.
When you can't get to where you want to go.
So, you better be driving over 150 miles in a day in 0 degree weather. Then, it's inconvenient. That's basically nobody.
Thebrownblob
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LOL he heats his garage because he can,which is the same reason he bought the Tesla, Not for practicality.
wilberforce15
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Yep. That's fine. But heating it does nothing for his Tesla or his convenience. If he just likes having a heated garage, that's cool.
trickpony1
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I don't think you understand the concept of "average".
1 + 9= 10
5 + 5= 10
8 + 2= 10
The arithmetic "average" of each equation is 5.
Take a statistics class.
Statistically helping.
wilberforce15
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Some people drive 100 miles per week. Some drive 500 miles per week. The average is 300.
Some people drive 50 miles per week. Some drive 550 miles per week. The average is 300.
Some people drive 250 miles per week. Some drive 350 miles per week. The average is 300.
They have power at home or work. All of them experience zero inconvenience from a Tesla, in winter or not.
Thebrownblob
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The average person does not have power at work, I sure don’t. People who have a home with the garage do, people who park on the street may not. Most People who live in apartments do not, people who live in heavily urban areas also do not. Ask any 20 something right now if they can afford a house? Most of them plan on being apartment dwellers. That doesn’t mean I don’t think eventually there will be electrified parking spots but right now they’re really not common.
wilberforce15
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Do you know the word "or"?
It means one or the other.
65% of people own a home. Another big chunk rent a home. Another chunk rent an apartment and have charging at work. None of those poeple need superchargers except on road trips.
The people who can't charge at home is less than 25% of the population. Most of those live in cities and drive short distance, needing few charges and have chargers already existing in errand locations.
An EV gives zero inconvenience to the lifestyle of 85%+ of the population. Winter is irrelevant. It works for just about everybody.
trickpony1
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The "average" city doesn't have the infrastructure to support all the "average" Tesla owners plugging in their EV's
at the same time.
Ask Texas.
Common sense helping.
at the same time.
Ask Texas.
Common sense helping.
Thebrownblob
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And the average City, State, and federal government is hard at work figuring out a way to tax by the mile for electric vehicles.
wilberforce15
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Texas power was screwed by the conservatives who ran their power infrastructure for decades. The conservatives wanted to save money and didn't winterize anything.
Renewables is an entirely different question.
And now that I've thoroughly shown a Tesla is no inconvenience to just about everyone, you change the subject to the grid.
We can talk about grid or cost. If we do, you're admitting I've won the convenience question.
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