Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

[Thebrownblob]

What competition?

The gap is widening every year. Tesla is farther ahead every single year.
Nobody can make any. There is no competition. Tesla makes more in a single factory than Ford's entire EV production 3 years in the future.

Spoken like a true believer!

 

[wilberforce15]

Spoken like a true believer!

Ford made 20,000 EV mustangs.

Tesla made 50 times more than that last year.

And they'll make 100 times more than that this year.

 

[wilberforce15]

Deer in the headlights. Ford, GM, VW, and all the rest are completely boxed in and incapable of expanding. They don't have the means or the factories or the expertise. The fight is over.

 

[vantexan]

You've misinterpreted every post.

Tesla can grow exponentially while still being high priced, because it is the most highly rated luxury vehicle and the market is HUGE compared to what they currently sell.

And, if they wanted to enter lower-priced markets, they are the highest profit margin automaker in a century. They can compete in any price level they want.

No they can't or they already would be. If they're so obviously superior then why not drop from $35k to $27k on their cheapest models and more than make it up in volume? The fact is that their style won't appeal to everyone. And not everyone wants an electric car. They're a successful niche. And you've never addressed, even down right avoided, where all the copper and silver will come from to make so many EV's? Those commodity prices will rise with the demand and take away much of that profit margin. But a highly literate fellow like you should know that already.

 

[wilberforce15]

No they can't or they already would be. If they're so obviously superior then why not drop from $35k to $27k on their cheapest models and more than make it up in volume? The fact is that their style won't appeal to everyone. And not everyone wants an electric car. They're a successful niche. And you've never addressed, even down right avoided, where all the copper and silver will come from to make so many EV's? Those commodity prices will rise with the demand and take away much of that profit margin. But a highly literate fellow like you should know that already.

Why would they sell cars cheaply when they can sell all they want at a high price?

Cheap cars make less money than expensive cars.

Even their basic sedan when from 32k to 41k just because they wanted more money. Everything they make can be sold at any price they want.
So you want them to choose to make less money?

 

[wilberforce15]

Tesla gets first choice on raw materials because they are the only player who matters. Everybody else gets behind them in line.
Whatever problems Tesla has will be multiplied 10 times over for the dinosaur companies.

That's why Tiger won even more tournaments as the PGA made courses more difficult. The harder it is, the more it separates the best from the pack.

 

[wilberforce15]

You seem to think they can increase volume if they lower price.

They can't.
They sell every single thing they make, and they are making everything they can.

Nobody in history has expanded automotive production as fast as they are, and demand still outstrips the production at any price they charge.

 

[vantexan]

Why would they sell cars cheaply when they can sell all they want at a high price?

Cheap cars make less money than expensive cars.

Even their basic sedan when from 32k to 41k just because they wanted more money. Everything they make can be sold at any price they want.
So you want them to choose to make less money?

You said they could drop their price and still make a profit because of their high profit margin. If Toyota, GM and others are selling millions of cars under $30k then why not be price competitive and capture that volume? They're so superior everyone will want one! And once again you dodged the very real world issue of there's not enough copper and silver to build all the millions of EV's you're projecting will be sold and the much higher prices those cars will end up costing because of much higher commodity prices.

 

[wilberforce15]

You said they could drop their price and still make a profit because of their high profit margin. If Toyota, GM and others are selling millions of cars under $30k then why not be price competitive and capture that volume? They're so superior everyone will want one! And once again you dodged the very real world issue of there's not enough copper and silver to build all the millions of EV's you're projecting will be sold and the much higher prices those cars will end up costing because of much higher commodity prices.

They can only capture the volume if they can produce the cars.
They made a million cars last year and sold a million cars.

They're making 2 million cars this year and selling 2 million cars.

Lowering the price would not sell any more vehicles.

 

[vantexan]

Tesla gets first choice on raw materials because they are the only player who matters. Everybody else gets behind them in line.
Whatever problems Tesla has will be multiplied 10 times over for the dinosaur companies.

That's why Tiger won even more tournaments as the PGA made courses more difficult. The harder it is, the more it separates the best from the pack.

That's a very interesting economic theory. Copper is needed to build houses and a myriad of industrial uses. But Tesla will somehow greatly increase the demand for copper and yet be able to source it at reasonable prices. And silver is much scarcer than copper and absolutely essential in the operation of electric cars.

 

[quad decade guy]

They can only capture the volume if they can produce the cars.
They made a million cars last year and sold a million cars.

They're making 2 million cars this year and selling 2 million cars.

Lowering the price would not sell any more vehicles.

A bold faced lie.

 

[vantexan]

They can only capture the volume if they can produce the cars.
They made a million cars last year and sold a million cars.

They're making 2 million cars this year and selling 2 million cars.

Lowering the price would not sell any more vehicles.

It would sure increase the demand because we all know Tesla is a vastly superior automobile (in spite of all those quality issues owners report).

 

[wilberforce15]

That's a very interesting economic theory. Copper is needed to build houses and a myriad of industrial uses. But Tesla will somehow greatly increase the demand for copper and yet be able to source it at reasonable prices. And silver is much scarcer than copper and absolutely essential in the operation of electric cars.

You're still illiterate.
Increased prices also attract more production.
And whatever price increases there are, it will hurt others more than Tesla, increasing the relative attractiveness and advantage of Tesla.
Higher input prices may ding Tesla, but they'll cripple the legacy automakers.

Higher input prices only increase Tesla's lead over others.

 

[wilberforce15]

It would sure increase the demand because we all know Tesla is a vastly superior automobile (in spite of all those quality issues owners report).

Demand already outstrips the production at any price Tesla wants to charge.

Why would they try to lower prices when demand is already more than they can meet?

 

[UnionStrong]

It's so....beautiful.

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[wilberforce15]

So, I gave you guys 2 hours heads-up on RDBX. Anybody take it? It's up 40%.

ATER is still early.

 

[Thebrownblob]

So, I gave you guys 2 hours heads-up on RDBX. Anybody take it? It's up 40%.

ATER is still early.

Maybe.

 

[wilberforce15]

Maybe.

Everything is a maybe in life.

But this is a highly probable maybe.

It could take a few weeks to truly play out.

 

[vantexan]

You're still illiterate.
Increased prices also attract more production.
And whatever price increases there are, it will hurt others more than Tesla, increasing the relative attractiveness and advantage of Tesla.
Higher input prices may ding Tesla, but they'll cripple the legacy automakers.

Higher input prices only increase Tesla's lead over others.

Well Mr. Literacy you surely know that finding silver in significant deposits has become extremely difficult in spite of a high demand for it already? That most silver produced today is a byproduct of mining other minerals? And that there's a housing shortage with copper already in high demand and only so many productive copper mines out there? Industry leaders have been saying for some time there's simply no way to produce enough of those metals to meet the demand that switching new cars to electric will bring. But they haven't met you yet so they don't know that higher prices will spur them on to produce more. Thank the good Lord you're here to tell them.

 

[wilberforce15]

Well Mr. Literacy you surely know that finding silver in significant deposits has become extremely difficult in spite of a high demand for it already? That most silver produced today is a byproduct of mining other minerals? And that there's a housing shortage with copper already in high demand and only so many productive copper mines out there? Industry leaders have been saying for some time there's simply no way to produce enough of those metals to meet the demand that switching new cars to electric will bring. But they haven't met you yet so they don't know that higher prices will spur them on to produce more. Thank the good Lord you're here to tell them.

And however difficult it is to find, it will go to the highest bidder with the biggest order, and that's Tesla. Everybody else will be screwed.

Shortages help Tesla, not hurt it.