Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

[wilberforce15]

If so.....

Why(in real world everyday reality) is this not so? Here, few if any EV stations.....1 in a 1000 Teslas....that's what I see.

No-one I know has a Tesla. Too expensive and no utility.....No-one wants one.

The world hasn't changed...you have. Principles of free economics and physics haven't changed....you sound like they have.

Being bludgeoned into change doesn't make it so.

Tesla sold a million cars this year. 500k last year. 250k the year before that.

And they'll sell 2 million next year. And 4 million the year after that.

I cannot account for what you do or do not see. I can't make you look or read.

 

[rickyb]

Theres no choice because no-one wants one.

I live in reality. Where do you live?

My nearest grocery store is 5 miles away. They aren't going to make public transportation there. Please.

You want the moon.....come back to Earth.

you live in the matrix

you think you can do what you want. but the choice is an illusion.

the reality is nature dictates you actions. the longer you put off this truth, the harder your choices are going to be.

 

[rickyb]

Tesla sold a million cars this year. 500k last year. 250k the year before that.

And they'll sell 2 million next year. And 4 million the year after that.

I cannot account for what you do or do not see. I can't make you look or read.

tesla makes me think of viagra

 

[rickyb]

If you have to drive to get to public transit then most of its supposed advantages go away. About the only time it would make sense is if you work downtown where there is only limited and expensive parking.

this system permits me to drive from seattle to new york and drive back just to get ice cream

its absurd and obviously doesnt work.

 

[oldngray]

this system permits me to drive from seattle to new york and drive back just to get ice cream

its absurd and obviously doesnt work.

 

[vantexan]

Tesla sold a million cars this year. 500k last year. 250k the year before that.

And they'll sell 2 million next year. And 4 million the year after that.

I cannot account for what you do or do not see. I can't make you look or read.

Where's all the silver and copper coming from?

 

[newfie]

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he was a good boy that day so his handlers bought him an ice cream

 

[quad decade guy]

Tesla sold a million cars this year. 500k last year. 250k the year before that.

And they'll sell 2 million next year. And 4 million the year after that.

I cannot account for what you do or do not see. I can't make you look or read.

Ok.

I can't make you see what I see.....not much. 1 in a 1000 going down the road.....few if any charging stations.....sure aren't around here.....just no utility...just like solar panels....and we are known for our abundant sunshine....snake oil gimmicks.

 

[newfie]

Ok.

I can't make you see what I see.....not much. 1 in a 1000 going down the road.....few if any charging stations.....sure aren't around here.....just no utility...just like solar panels....and we are known for our abundant sunshine....snake oil gimmicks.

to your point i'm somewhere in the middle. I see the value of an electric car if you do a lot of local miles. I would not want to rely on an electric vehicle if i traveled a lot.

 

[wilberforce15]

Ok.

I can't make you see what I see.....not much. 1 in a 1000 going down the road.....few if any charging stations.....sure aren't around here.....just no utility...just like solar panels....and we are known for our abundant sunshine....snake oil gimmicks.

What you see is not relevant. Your perceptions of the world are not reality. I don't care what is or is not around you. A million were sold in 2021. Two million will be in 2022. And so on. And if you go the next decade without seeing one, that has no impact on their dominance.

 

[The big package]

Just the facts : 25% of all people that purchase an electric vehicle return those vehicles and go back to gas powered . Reasons ? Mostly inconvenience , battery technology is not up the par and will never be up to par ! So unless they replace the battery with an alternative you are going to be charging your battery every hundred to 150 miles and you're going to be sitting there for half an hour waiting for your battery to charge . And the reality is gas and oil will always be needed. It's needed to run machinery , fly planes , make plastics antifreeze , heating oil etc. It's just a matter of whether we produce the oil here and make billions of dollars or let other countries produce the oil and they get wealthy !!!!

 

[PT Car Washer]

Just the facts : 25% of all people that purchase an electric vehicle return those vehicles and go back to gas powered . Reasons ? Mostly inconvenience , battery technology is not up the par and will never be up to par ! So unless they replace the battery with an alternative you are going to be charging your battery every hundred to 150 miles and you're going to be sitting there for half an hour waiting for your battery to charge . And the reality is gas and oil will always be needed. It's needed to run machinery , fly planes , make plastics antifreeze , heating oil etc. It's just a matter of whether we produce the oil here and make billions of dollars or let other countries produce the oil and they get wealthy !!!!

How many people actually drive 100 miles everyday? I drive about 150 miles a week. Gas mileage goes way down in the cold winter months waiting for the car to warm up.

 

[wilberforce15]

Just the facts : 25% of all people that purchase an electric vehicle return those vehicles and go back to gas powered . Reasons ? Mostly inconvenience , battery technology is not up the par and will never be up to par ! So unless they replace the battery with an alternative you are going to be charging your battery every hundred to 150 miles and you're going to be sitting there for half an hour waiting for your battery to charge . And the reality is gas and oil will always be needed. It's needed to run machinery , fly planes , make plastics antifreeze , heating oil etc. It's just a matter of whether we produce the oil here and make billions of dollars or let other countries produce the oil and they get wealthy !!!!

Every critique in this thread is based on outdated information, and this one is as well.

Your statistic is exaggerated and old. That was from 2015 to 2019, and it was more like 20%.

New batteries currently being produced will outlast your grandkids need for a car. The body will rust out before the battery needs replacing.

I understand that not everyone can keep up.

But even crappy old antique EV technology (like in 2019) had an 80% retention rate of people staying with EVs. That's the inverse of your notion that 20% go back.

This is a one way street. Technology is only going one direction for average consumer cars, and it will be 100% of the market.

 

[vantexan]

Every critique in this thread is based on outdated information, and this one is as well.

Your statistic is exaggerated and old. That was from 2015 to 2019, and it was more like 20%.

New batteries currently being produced will outlast your grandkids need for a car. The body will rust out before the battery needs replacing.

I understand that not everyone can keep up.

But even crappy old antique EV technology (like in 2019) had an 80% retention rate of people staying with EVs. That's the inverse of your notion that 20% go back.

This is a one way street. Technology is only going one direction for average consumer cars, and it will be 100% of the market.

If hydrogen is determined to be a more viable, environmentally friendly fuel source than batteries will you be just as enthusiastic? You don't seem willing to recognize anything negative about battery powered cars. You still haven't explained where to source copper and silver in sufficient quantities to meet our needs. These are issues that have to be addressed going forward. I for one would love a car with much fewer parts that can fail. Electric cars have a huge advantage in that regard. But that also means the auto parts industry will be devastated. That a lot of mechanics will be put out of work. Technology moving forward will put a lot of people out of work. Seems to me we'll have an ever increasing crowd of poor that can't afford these cars and private vehicle ownership will be for the wealthy. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[rickyb]

What you see is not relevant. Your perceptions of the world are not reality. I don't care what is or is not around you. A million were sold in 2021. Two million will be in 2022. And so on. And if you go the next decade without seeing one, that has no impact on their dominance.

yes and when civilization pops in 2040 bc of inefficient capitalism, sales of cars will go down

 

[rickyb]

If hydrogen is determined to be a more viable, environmentally friendly fuel source than batteries will you be just as enthusiastic? You don't seem willing to recognize anything negative about battery powered cars. You still haven't explained where to source copper and silver in sufficient quantities to meet our needs. These are issues that have to be addressed going forward. I for one would love a car with much fewer parts that can fail. Electric cars have a huge advantage in that regard. But that also means the auto parts industry will be devastated. That a lot of mechanics will be put out of work. Technology moving forward will put a lot of people out of work. Seems to me we'll have an ever increasing crowd of poor that can't afford these cars and private vehicle ownership will be for the wealthy. Be careful what you wish for.

they will put in a basic income and have everyone near poverty.

 

[rickyb]

Just the facts : 25% of all people that purchase an electric vehicle return those vehicles and go back to gas powered . Reasons ? Mostly inconvenience , battery technology is not up the par and will never be up to par ! So unless they replace the battery with an alternative you are going to be charging your battery every hundred to 150 miles and you're going to be sitting there for half an hour waiting for your battery to charge . And the reality is gas and oil will always be needed. It's needed to run machinery , fly planes , make plastics antifreeze , heating oil etc. It's just a matter of whether we produce the oil here and make billions of dollars or let other countries produce the oil and they get wealthy !!!!

republican party one of hte most dangerous organizations in the world. dead set on going off the climate cliff. other western country conservative parties dont act like this.

 

[quad decade guy]

republican party one of hte most dangerous organizations in the world. dead set on going off the climate cliff. other western country conservative parties dont act like this.

No......communist/socialist/liberal democrats are the same group responsible for hundreds of millions of murders.......

What other "conservative" western parties are there? You mean Europe? OMG. They are what we used to call radical liberals.....

During WW3 you won't have to worry about climate change......maybe in 100 years. Don't worry....the weak won't survive the first few days.

 

[rickyb]

No......communist/socialist/liberal democrats are the same group responsible for hundreds of millions of murders.......

What other "conservative" western parties are there? You mean Europe? OMG. They are what we used to call radical liberals.....

During WW3 you won't have to worry about climate change......maybe in 100 years. Don't worry....the weak won't survive the first few days.

instead of putting labels on it like commie / liberal / capitalist / conservative, ask yourself did these systems centralize power or was power evenly distributed?

other countries have conservatives. i should know i live in another country. they are typically not far right wing like america

 

[cheryl]

@tonyexpress and I bought a Tesla model 3 in 2018. I think it's a great car, and I've never been a car person. It gets new features added regularly and it also has a fart mode, charges up to 300+ miles, self parking, and a light show. What more do you want in a car?

Here in California Teslas are seen all over the place.