Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

zubenelgenubi

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wilberforce15

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That was only because there were no other truck alternatives when they first showed the cyber truck. I still think they'll sell a ton of them, but their sales will be greatly diminished by Rivian, Lightning, and Silverado EV.
Truck demand is infinite. Sales won't be diminished by anything. Everyone who makes a decent EV will sell everything they can produce.
 

DriverNerd

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Truck demand is infinite. Sales won't be diminished by anything. Everyone who makes a decent EV will sell everything they can produce.
This is a ridiculous statement. Sales of all vehicles from all companies are about 100% right now because there simply aren't enough vehicles. There is definitely a limit to what people need and will purchase.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
So, will truck buyers shy away because of the infinite, instantaneous torque? The unlimited horsepower? The best in class payload? The best-in-market ground clearance?

What will be their hangup?
EVs are years maybe a decade or more away from being viable. The vast majority of consumers don’t want them. That’s why they need government subsidies
 

wilberforce15

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This is a ridiculous statement. Sales of all vehicles from all companies are about 100% right now because there's simply aren't enough vehicles. There is definitely a limit to what people need and will purchase.
There is no limit to high-performance EV sales.

Everyone in the entire world who makes one has sold every single one of them, and they'll continue selling everything they can produce until it's the entire market. They're just that much better.
 

wilberforce15

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EVs are years maybe a decade or more away from being viable. The vast majority of consumers don’t want them. That’s why they need government subsidies
Tesla is raising prices at will, just because they can, and subsidies don't do much to help.

You're truly just ignorant. But the market will solve that for you.
 

wilberforce15

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Maybe you all will respect this compilation of Sandy Munro, an automotive engineer whose company is entirely based on tearing cars apart, mapping every piece, every part, and selling the most detailed diagrams possible and then giving manufacturing advice. That's his entire profession and history.

Then he became the biggest fanboy.
 

DriverNerd

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There is no limit to high-performance EV sales.
Again, a ridiculous statement. I'm not a EV hater at all. I would seriously consider one as my next vehicle, but if Tesla and every other manufacturer all of a sudden could produce 20 times their current amount, they'd all have vehicles sitting on their lots for years.*

*Not including small niche builders. Anyone who makes, say, 30 per year could probably sell 20 times that much.
 

zubenelgenubi

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Again, a ridiculous statement. I'm not a EV hater at all. I would seriously consider one as my next vehicle, but if Tesla and every other manufacturer all of a sudden could produce 20 times their current amount, they'd all have vehicles sitting on their lots for years.*

*Not including small niche builders. Anyone who makes, say, 30 per year could probably sell 20 times that much.

Scarcity is driving demand and price. Like worthless diamonds.
 

wilberforce15

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Again, a ridiculous statement. I'm not a EV hater at all. I would seriously consider one as my next vehicle, but if Tesla and every other manufacturer all of a sudden could produce 20 times their current amount, they'd all have vehicles sitting on their lots for years.*

*Not including small niche builders. Anyone who makes, say, 30 per year could probably sell 20 times that much.
So, in the impossible situation you listed, they wouldn't sell everything.

But in every possible actual outcome, they'll sell everything they can produce for the foreseeable future.

Do you have Asperger's? Legit question. My statement was false only in its most ridiculously literal sense. Of course demand isn't infinite.

The point is clearly that all makers of good EVs will sell everything they can produce.
 

wilberforce15

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Scarcity is driving demand and price. Like worthless diamonds.
Scarcity doesn't drive demand or price in the absence of quality and desirability.

My clipped toenails are scarce, and yet there is no demand and no price.

One company sold a million this year and is worth close to a trillion dollars. Your head is in the ground.
 

DriverNerd

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The point is clearly that all makers of good EVs will sell everything they can produce.
You made an impossible statement, I gave an impossible situation. Eventually ICE cars and light trucks will be non-existent, that much, I agree. I don't think it will be all that soon, but eventually we will get there. When we do and the supply chain issues of today's COVID era are over manufacturers will be pumping out as many vehicles as they did a few years ago. And just like those companies in 2019, they will have surpluses on their lots. It will be a long time until EV quantities can be made to make up for their current demand, but a time will come when there will be excess vehicles sitting on dealer lots. I love EVs, you're just a little too optimistic for me.
 

vantexan

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So, will truck buyers shy away because of the infinite, instantaneous torque? The unlimited horsepower? The best in class payload? The best-in-market ground clearance?

What will be their hangup?
Which class are you comparing it to? Half ton trucks? For much less than the Tesla costs you can get a Ford one ton with twice the payload. With 21,000 lbs of towing.
 

wilberforce15

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You made an impossible statement, I gave an impossible situation. Eventually ICE cars and light trucks will be non-existent, that much, I agree. I don't think it will be all that soon, but eventually we will get there. When we do and the supply chain issues of today's COVID era are over manufacturers will be pumping out as many vehicles as they did a few years ago. And just like those companies in 2019, they will have surpluses on their lots. It will be a long time until EV quantities can be made to make up for their current demand, but a time will come when there will be excess vehicles sitting on dealer lots. I love EVs, you're just a little too optimistic for me.
So the answer is yes, Asperger's.

That's not an insult or personal attack. It's a description. There is no reasonable, non-Aspy person who would take infinite to mean "actually completely and totally unlimited in any sense." That's how you took it.

It means that demand so far outstrips supply that it's all just details. The only contest is production.

Only one manufacturer continually increased production throughout the entire pandemic.

250k sold in 2019.
500k sold in 2020.
1 Million sold in 2021.

That's execution of production in the hardest circumstances, and expanding while everyone else is contracting.
 
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