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vantexan

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The social average between the two is 300.

You are seriously far below whatever is required for this conversation.
The average american drives less than 300 miles per week. I've proven that whether an individual does 50 miles or 550 miles, using an EV is more convenient for most people.
You have said it's more convenient but have you proved it?
 

wilberforce15

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Absolutely they're contradictions and you'll say just about anything to protect your beloved Teslam
There are lots of middle and upper-middle class folks who can afford at 40k car who haven't bought them. There are 20M+ cars sold per year in that range that aren't Teslas.

Tesla will take that market share. They can expand 10x from current production without being affordable to the average perspon.
 

Thebrownblob

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There are lots of middle and upper-middle class folks who can afford at 40k car who haven't bought them. There are 20M+ cars sold per year in that range that aren't Teslas.

Tesla will take that market share. They can expand 10x from current production without being affordable to the average perspon.
So you don’t have any facts you’re just making assumptions… got it! I know six people in my neighborhood which is upper middle class who bought new cars in the last six months. Only one EV and it was not a Tesla.
 

wilberforce15

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So you don’t have any facts you’re just making assumptions… got it!
Those are facts.
There is enough current car sales in Teslas price range and captureable market for them to expand relentlessly for the next decade.
They could still be profitable by taking 10k off each car they currently sell if they wanted. Nobody else can.

They're high priced because they can be, not because they have to be.
 

vantexan

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Yes. I make no fuel stops in the average week. The vast majority of the country would experience the same with an EV.
The vast majority I suspect would find it damn inconvenient to pay the thousands required to have the charger needed installed. They'd find it extremely inconvenient to find a charging station on a road trip and then have to wait for it to charge. And paid a premium price to buy the car to begin with. If you're happy with it great. If all you ever do is drive around town, great. I can buy a solid Toyota in the mid $20's and the money I save over buying a Tesla would buy a heck of a lot of gas. And with normal maintenance would get close to 20 years out if it. From the complaints I've read from Tesla owners I'd doubt it would last 10 years without a lot of headaches.
 

wilberforce15

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The vast majority I suspect would find it damn inconvenient to pay the thousands required to have the charger needed installed. They'd find it extremely inconvenient to find a charging station on a road trip and then have to wait for it to charge. And paid a premium price to buy the car to begin with. If you're happy with it great. If all you ever do is drive around town, great. I can buy a solid Toyota in the mid $20's and the money I save over buying a Tesla would buy a heck of a lot of gas. And with normal maintenance would get close to 20 years out if it. From the complaints I've read from Tesla owners I'd doubt it would last 10 years without a lot of headaches.
No charger necessary. A wall outlet will easily charge the average driver's daily commute, and a cord to the dryer outlet will charge 30-50 miles per hour.

No charger at home necessary for almost anybody, as long as you actually sleep at home most nights.

And most people do.
 

vantexan

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I find it funny how much people want to prove that cheap gas cars are cheaper than Tesla.

I know. I've said it plenty of times. lol.
OK, I misinterpreted your post. But you've also said that most new cars, even cheap ones, aren't affordable for most people. And yet are claiming Tesla will grow exponentially from selling to people who buy new cars in the Tesla price range. If that's not a contradiction then what is? Truth is people making $35-$50k a year are the ones buying the cheaper new cars and the vast majority of them won't consider a Tesla.
 

Thebrownblob

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Of course it is. That's literally what I just said.

You're truly illiterate, aren't you?

For years I’ve said “Tesla is Blackberry”—the maker of a first-generation version of a product that—once the market was proven—would be supplanted into niche obscurity by newer, better versions; now I can provide a much more recent analogy: Tesla is Netflix.

Lots of competition headed Tesla‘s way, I hope you’ll be okay.
 

wilberforce15

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OK, I misinterpreted your post. But you've also said that most new cars, even cheap ones, aren't affordable for most people. And yet are claiming Tesla will grow exponentially from selling to people who buy new cars in the Tesla price range. If that's not a contradiction then what is? Truth is people making $35-$50k a year are the ones buying the cheaper new cars and the vast majority of them won't consider a Tesla.
You've misinterpreted every post.

Tesla can grow exponentially while still being high priced, because it is the most highly rated luxury vehicle and the market is HUGE compared to what they currently sell.

And, if they wanted to enter lower-priced markets, they are the highest profit margin automaker in a century. They can compete in any price level they want.
 

wilberforce15

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For years I’ve said “Tesla is Blackberry”—the maker of a first-generation version of a product that—once the market was proven—would be supplanted into niche obscurity by newer, better versions; now I can provide a much more recent analogy: Tesla is Netflix.

Lots of competition headed Tesla‘s way, I hope you’ll be okay.
What competition?

The gap is widening every year. Tesla is farther ahead every single year.
Nobody can make any. There is no competition. Tesla makes more in a single factory than Ford's entire EV production 3 years in the future.
 
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