Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

[UnionStrong]

Listen I’ve already told you I’m ignorant to the facts you state. It could well be I really don’t know, i’ll trust you on that, although my friend who owns the Tesla rarely drives his on his weekly 300 mile round-trip. He’s rich so he can do what he wants. My daughter has a 2001 Toyota Prius the batteries have not been replaced yet, and it runs great. We paid $3500 for that car lol it had just over 100,000 miles. Got a pretty good deal, where are the deals for electric cars? They are well out of reach for most people. Transitioning to a new technology that most people cannot afford will affect all of us.

Especially since the grid will be overwhelmed eventually.

 

[wilberforce15]

Listen I’ve already told you I’m ignorant to the facts you state. It could well be I really don’t know, i’ll trust you on that, although my friend who owns the Tesla rarely drives his on his weekly 300 mile round-trip. He’s rich so he can do what he wants. My daughter has a 2001 Toyota Prius the batteries have not been replaced yet, and it runs great. We paid $3500 for that car lol it had just over 100,000 miles. Got a pretty good deal, where are the deals for electric cars? They are well out of reach for most people. Transitioning to a new technology that most people cannot afford will affect all of us.

There are no deals for decent electric cars.

Teslas prices have cut in half in a decade.

They'll cut in half again.
Welcome to ALL new techology.

The rich get it first.

 

[vantexan]

Listen I’ve already told you I’m ignorant to the facts you state. It could well be I really don’t know, i’ll trust you on that, although my friend who owns the Tesla rarely drives his on his weekly 300 mile round-trip. He’s rich so he can do what he wants. My daughter has a 2001 Toyota Prius the batteries have not been replaced yet, and it runs great. We paid $3500 for that car lol it had just over 100,000 miles. Got a pretty good deal, where are the deals for electric cars? They are well out of reach for most people. Transitioning to a new technology that most people cannot afford will affect all of us.

Want to get an EV lover's dander up? Start talking about hydrogen cars. With Tesla costs so high there will be alternatives looked at and very possible someone will come up with a viable alternative.

 

[wilberforce15]

Want to get an EV lover's dander up? Start talking about hydrogen cars. With Tesla costs so high there will be alternatives looked at and very possible someone will come up with a viable alternative.

Hydrogen has a 0% chance of ever being a meaningful part of the transportation network. We're not getting our dander up. We're laughing at you. The issue is settled.

 

[vantexan]

Bring a firearm

Stay out of the south end of Albuquerque and should be fine. Staying in state parks.

 

[vantexan]

Hydrogen has a 0% chance of ever being a meaningful part of the transportation network. We're not getting our dander up. We're laughing at you. The issue is settled.

Is it now? I sense dander.

 

[vantexan]

Stay out of the south end of Albuquerque and should be fine. Staying in state parks.

I've lived in 3 places in New Mexico. Camper paradise.

 

[UnionStrong]

Is it now? I sense dander.

Lmao

 

[wilberforce15]

Is it now? I sense dander.

Yeah, 0% chance. We don't feel threatened. There is no threat.

You can tell me about your garage-band perpetual motion machine, too.

 

[wilberforce15]

You think fixing the grid or expanding it is difficult or expensive?
Try building out hydrogen infrastructure.
It's 1000x worse.
The cars are cool. The stations are cool. It doesn't work as a system.

 

[UnionStrong]

I've lived in 3 places in New Mexico. Camper paradise.

 

[vantexan]

Yeah, 0% chance. We don't feel threatened. There is no threat.

You can tell me about your garage-band perpetual motion machine, too.

Do you really feel that there's no viable alternative to electric? That no one will develop anything else? The reason I ask is because we're talking about one of the biggest markets on Earth. Second to only food I'm guessing. To capture a large share of that would be huge. Literally pushing people away from ICE's so there's billions in potential sales if you build a better mousetrap.

 

[vantexan]

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I'd camp in Montana but there's that grizzly bear dragging you out of your tent thing. And they have green chile cheeseburgers in New Mexico!

 

[wilberforce15]

Do you really feel that there's no viable alternative to electric? That no one will develop anything else? The reason I ask is because we're talking about one of the biggest markets on Earth. Second to only food I'm guessing. To capture a large share of that would be huge. Literally pushing people away from ICE's so there's billions in potential sales if you build a better mousetrap.

Correct, there is no viable alternative. And it's not because of the cars or the stations. The technology works fine.
Infrastructure will never be developed or available in a widespread fashion. Even if there is gain, it oculd never justify the cost of building parallel networks.

I will wager any amount of money anybody wants in a bet against hydrogen vehicles. It's just that impossible. And it's not the technology.

If EV's didn't exist, maybe. If gas never existed, surely. But with existing gas infractructure and the lead that EV's have, the chances of a third parallel technology getting widespread support is 0.

 

[Thebrownblob]

You think fixing the grid or expanding it is difficult or expensive?
Try building out hydrogen infrastructure.
It's 1000x worse.
The cars are cool. The stations are cool. It doesn't work as a system.

Nope I don’t think they plan on doing either. That will give them even more excuses for rolling blackouts everywhere while you wait for your car to charge. Anything that is self-sustaining, and reasonably priced will be quickly destroyed by government interests.

 

[rod]

A lot of farmers owe a heck of a lot for their very expensive machinery. They don't have a choice but to grow as much as possible.

A lot of farmers enjoy BILLIONS of dollars in "free" subsidy money also.

 

[UnionStrong]

Nope I don’t think they plan on doing either. That will give them even more excuses for rolling blackouts everywhere while you wait for your car to charge. Anything that is self-sustaining, and reasonably priced will be quickly destroyed by government interests.

They would be doing it as we speak if they planned on widespread EV use. The goal is not to replace ICE as much as it is to limit our mobility.

 

[UnionStrong]

A lot of farmers enjoy BILLIONS of dollars in "free" subsidy money also.

Are you a farmer?

 

[vantexan]

Correct, there is no viable alternative. And it's not because of the cars or the stations. The technology works fine.
Infrastructure will never be developed or available in a widespread fashion. Even if there is gain, it oculd never justify the cost of building parallel networks.

I will wager any amount of money anybody wants in a bet against hydrogen vehicles. It's just that impossible. And it's not the technology.

If EV's didn't exist, maybe. If gas never existed, surely. But with existing gas infractructure and the lead that EV's have, the chances of a third parallel technology getting widespread support is 0.

But there is the issue of increasing grid capacity for all those EV's. And there's the very real issue of not having enough copper and silver to not only replace the ICE's out there but to continue to make new cars going forward. Those may be roadblocks to EV's that are insurmountable. We may very well have parallel network because of it.

 

[wilberforce15]

They would be doing it as we speak if they planned on widespread EV use. The goal is not to replace ICE as much as it is to limit our mobility.

The limit on the mobility is from the AI, not the battery.
It's much easier to limit mobility with gas vehicle than with batteries. How easy is it to cut people off from gas? A lot easier than cutting them off from electricity.

Every home and shop in america can fill my tank.

You only have 100k places to go.