ORION + Hybrid Driver = Autonomous Vehicles

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Bubblehead, Oct 30, 2018.

  1. Netsua 3:16

    Netsua 3:16 Stop being a little bitch

  2. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    So you're saying that it wouldn't make sense to mitigate the less reliable "human factor", until we can totally eradicate the "human factor".

    That's like saying that nobody can have a flu shot until every single person agrees to get one.

    I think your train of thought on this is flawed and has a zero chance of actually being the case.
     
  3. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    I think he's referencing the old Jetson's cartoon?
     
  4. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Perhaps. Staff Member

    Actually Popular Science articles from the late '50s and early '60s.

    As far as fully autonomous cars, it's gonna be a long time. Until every road has clear lane markings and every traffic sign is clear and legible, nope. Until the manufacturers figure out a way get the sensors to still work in heavy fog, rain and snow, nope.
     
  5. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    George Jetson for one
     
  6. Faceplanted

    Faceplanted Well-Known Member

    You guys don’t understand simple numbers. Right now..... at this date, fully autonomous vehicles

    HAVE A LOWER ACCIDENT RATE PER MILE DRIVEN.

    This is 100% scientific fact proven by numbers. This is not some opinion based garbage. Hurrr durrrrr..... But but but a guy died in a Tesla on autopilot

    The technology is 100% here and safer then human drivers. It will only get better. The only thing stopping companies from doing this right now is regulations.

    I could easially see ups paying a “baby sitter” driver a lower rate to be in the cab. I would also go as far as to say that within the next 15 or so years we will see a “lead” truck with a driver inside being followed by 3/4 fully autonomous rigs with no drivers inside on our highways. They will park at pull off areas and a driver will take them the remaining few miles to the hubs.
     
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  7. Faceplanted

    Faceplanted Well-Known Member

    There will be cameras and sensors that will be easially reviewable. It will actually be much easier to determine liability. Ups will also have lower insurance rates as autonomous vehicles over all are safer and less likely to involved in an accident
     
  8. specter208

    specter208 Active Member

    UPS is self-insured though.
     
  9. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    ....making it even more advantageous for the Company to mitigate risk through technological advances?

    Think about it...
     
  10. DriveInDriveOut

    DriveInDriveOut Proud Deplorable

    There simply isn't enough data available for that to be a "scientific fact" (lol).
    I agree. This should have been addressed in this contract before it's too late. Hoffa is a P*.
    Lol.
    Dude, there is nowhere to park.
    Seriously, it's a big problem in most places.
     
  11. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    Listen genius. Compare the number of driverless cars on the road vs human drivers. No :censored2: driverless cars have less accidents.
     
  12. Numbers?Screenshot_20181101-214527_Google.jpgEstimated, in 2010, there were over a billion (mostly noncommercial) vehicles in the world. Then add combination vehicles and other regulated vehicles to that number.

    How many driverless vehicles are in that mix? Almost not worth noting.

    So how can they say that they are safer than vehicles driven by humans? There's no proven apples for apples ratio.

    Put a billion of them on the road and then figure the ratio.
     
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  14. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    A documented case of a death caused by an automatic car is an opinion?

    Some people don't know what extrapolation means.
     
  15. MyTripisCut

    MyTripisCut “They” are coming for us.


    Those damn regulations, how dare they not allow technology to kill people on their way to work!




    How does the driver get to the “pull off area”?
     
  16. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    Already happens every day, despite the modern day "regulations"?
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  17. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Perhaps. Staff Member

    In an autonomous car, dummy! How else?
     
  18. Faceplanted

    Faceplanted Well-Known Member

    We have pull off areas for 53 foot double in my state which are only allowed on certain highways at certain times. 1 driver will pull 2 53 footers, pull into the area, break them down and drive them one by one to the “hub”

    Self-driving cars are already really safe

    Every study that I have seen so far have showed that per mile traveled, autonomous vehicles are less likely to be involved in accident.

    FYI 90% of crashes at this point in time are due to some sort of driver error. Straight from the governments own website.

    https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812115
     
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  19. Faceplanted

    Faceplanted Well-Known Member

    Per miles driven

    Just like per capa.

    Do you understand what ratios are?
     
  20. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    The only way autonomous vehicles will "out perform" is when they are the only ones on the road. As long as you have unpredictable humans behind the wheel the system will not work (in my opinion).