Ouch. New Insurance Co Pay

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But you supported 4 year progression which hurts members and saves the company millions!!
You also supported watered down insurance for the poor retirees which is costing them an arm and leg..
You also supported weak subcontracting language which the company continues to eliminate jobs and save millions!!
You sound very COMPANY friendly brother!!

You have a bakers Union mind.

 

[box_beeyotch]

There's a generic for Zoloft?

Can they double the dose?

Come on you know better. It can't be Zoloft if all I constantly think about is physically harming people.

 

[Catatonic]

Come on you know better. It can't be Zoloft if all I constantly think about is physically harming people.

I was thinking how bad it would be if you weren't!

 

[box_beeyotch]

I was thinking how bad it would be if you weren't!

I admit this made me actually laugh lol

 

[bottomups]

Generics work just fine. It's all in your head.

Took generic Viagra once and my nipples got hard.

 

[upschuck]

Do I care what your taking? No. And IDGAF. You underestimate how your mind can work. By thinking generics are inferior, you're already possibly reducing its effectiveness.

Reverse placebo?

 

[CHALLY9TX]

Reverse placebo?

Nocebo

 

[10 point]

With your reasoning then we can say that some generics are better than the name brand. I still say it's all in the persons head. The generics have to meet the same standards as the name brand, including the rates of absorption.

My Dad had two pharmacies (which I worked in for 16 years) and I can validate that there are some really cheap generics out there (a lot from India) that affect people differently than the original pharmaceutical compound. Several people had adverse reactions to some generic replacements. It's not all in your head....unless the pills are for migraines.

 

[10 point]

For the most part generics are just as good as the brand name. The problem is psychological. Patients know they will get better if they take the brand name drug but often do not have the same confidence when they take the generic version. It is called the placebo effect.

So you're now a pharmaceutical major?
You're an expert on everything evidently.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Please enlighten me as to what part of my post was inaccurate. I am off all day---I can wait.

 

[Inthegame]

Please enlighten me as to what part of my post was inaccurate. I am off all day---I can wait.

Actually a "placebo effect" refers to a perceived improvement from a substance that has no improving properties. Generics are real drugs that will improve patients in most cases with some limitations. Generics are not placebos.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Actually a "placebo effect" refers to a perceived improvement from a substance that has no improving properties. Generics are real drugs that will improve patients in most cases with some limitations. Generics are not placebos.

No but if the patient thinks they will work as well as the brand name...

 

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My Dad had two pharmacies (which I worked in for 16 years) and I can validate that there are some really cheap generics out there (a lot from India) that affect people differently than the original pharmaceutical compound. Several people had adverse reactions to some generic replacements. It's not all in your head....unless the pills are for migraines.

And now, years later, the FDA requires a generic drug to be identical in dosage, strength, quality and performance. Thank China for that since they sold us a bad batch of L-tryptophan in the early 90's. The only differences in drugs today are (sometimes) the labs they are created in, the trade names and cost. Why do you think Viagra spent so much money on their patent extensions? Trade name yields a lot more cash because of advertising. 25mgs of Sildenafi or 25mgs of Viagra is still 25mgs of Sildeafi.

 

[bleedinbrown58]

Please enlighten me as to what part of my post was inaccurate. I am off all day---I can wait.

What a shocker....Dave has a day off and nothing better to do. Is Rowdy still recovering from last night?

 

[realbrown1]

I totally disagree from personal experience. Generics are equivalent. Not identical. The slight differences in formulations can alter the effect on different people. Some meds I couldn't tell the diffeence but some others very definite difference. Not just my opinion either. I have seen the same thing happen for other people. Apparently you have never taken a medication yourself that you could tell the difference. That only applies to you and the meds you took.

The only thing different (maybe) of generics from brand name is not the formulation, because the drug is exactly the same.

The difference is the filler.

 

[oldngray]

The only thing different (maybe) of generics from brand name is not the formulation, because the drug is exactly the same.

The difference is the filler.

The active ingredients are exactly the same but the filler (inactive ingredients) can be different and can make a difference in how it affects different people.

 

[realbrown1]

The active ingredients are exactly the same but the filler (inactive ingredients) can be different and can make a difference in how it affects different people.

Fillers are generally some variation of sugar.

They have always worked on my family with no adverse reactions.

I have never even heard of someone having an adverse reaction to generics.

 

[TooTechie]

For the most part generics are just as good as the brand name. The problem is psychological. Patients know they will get better if they take the brand name drug but often do not have the same confidence when they take the generic version. It is called the placebo effect.

This has nothing to do with insurance because insurance doesn't cover it, but when I took Adipex for losing weight, it really curbed my appetite and sped up my metabolism. I've tried the generic (phentermine) from three different manufacturers and only one worked as well as the name brand and that generic is no longer made. Also the cvs version of Dayquil sucks (haven't checked to see if it has the same active ingredients or not).

I agree that most generic medicine works as well as the name brand though.

 

[oldngray]

Fillers are generally some variation of sugar.

They have always worked on my family with no adverse reactions.

I have never even heard of someone having an adverse reaction to generics.

I am not talking about every medication or every individual but there can be differences. Not to the point of adverse reaction but absorption rates can alter effectiveness. I have taken some generics where I couldn't tell the difference but others I definitely could tell. Not just me either. Many people have had similar experiences. Fillers are not just sugar either and the same fillers are not used by different manufacturers. Just because you personally never noticed a difference with the medications you took does not mean that is also true for everyone else.

 

[Naliz]

And now, years later, the FDA requires a generic drug to be identical in dosage, strength, quality and performance. Thank China for that since they sold us a bad batch of L-tryptophan in the early 90's. The only differences in drugs today are (sometimes) the labs they are created in, the trade names and cost. Why do you think Viagra spent so much money on their patent extensions? Trade name yields a lot more cash because of advertising. 25mgs of Sildenafi or 25mgs of Viagra is still 25mgs of Sildeafi.

The "bad batch of L-tryptophan" didn't come from China but Japan. More ironically, while you try to put the blame on China (anyone but the US?) you obviously also don't understand that the FDA had full knowledge of the sinister workings going on at that Japanese manufacturing facility that produced GMO tryptophan, a fact which the US FDA subsequently helped to suppress and, instead, told the American public it was a normal case of product contamination - The Real Facts about the FDA Tryptophan Recall

Also, what do you think are many of the companies that have stuff manufactured in China? Big US corporate companies. They outsource the labor to China (making a big profit and screwing American workers out of work) but then they sell the stuff at a steep up-marketed price here to Americans (who then get doubly screwed) many of whom are out of work. "Thank the US for that"...

It strongly appears that you're an example of how effective mainstream US propaganda works on the general US public.