President Trump

[watdaflock?]

I'm interested in reading the books that will be written about the Obama administration. The equivalent Trump books will be just as interesting!

Just make sure you stay in the lines.

 

[oldngray]

Most of us voted for him on the idea of taking out Obamacare, among other ideas. That's probably the same 23 million that weren't eligible before Obamacare. Making everyone hurt financially to give a small percentage healthcare was just wrongheaded from the start. And only flew through Congress with Obama lying his head off about it.

How many of those 23 million are people who simply choose to not pay for what is essentially little but catastrophic coverage that they were previously forced to buy?

 

[Catatonic]

Hey drumpf voters, What do you think of your pretend-populist now?

Populist?
His core is the blue-collar working class.
This bill is tough on the not working class.

 

[Catatonic]

Something smelly there. If she's disabled why isn't she on regular disability?

Try google and think about it.

 

[Catatonic]

In all seriousness, how's that working?

Really well!

 

[It will be fine]

How many of those 23 million are people who simply choose to not pay for what is essentially little but catastrophic coverage that they were previously forced to buy?

Their choice to go without insurance will raise the cost for everyone else.

 

[It will be fine]

Populist?
His core is the blue-collar working class.
This bill is tough on the not working class.

This bill is tough on everyone except the extremely wealthy. Projected premium increases of 20% over current law.

 

[newfie]

How many of those 23 million are people who simply choose to not pay for what is essentially little but catastrophic coverage that they were previously forced to buy?

I have spoken with people who feel it cheaper to pay the penalty.

 

[oldngray]

Their choice to go without insurance will raise the cost for everyone else.

Those who were getting subsidies (paid for by others) will have to pay more for themselves.

Only the freeloaders are upset.

 

[It will be fine]

Those who were getting subsidies (paid for by others) will have to pay more for themselves.

Only the freeloaders are upset.

This isn't difficult math. More people uninsured = higher costs for everyone. The costs get passed on to the paying customers, it's better to have everyone insured so rates can reflect actual costs and maintain a stable predictable market.

 

[Catatonic]

This bill is tough on everyone except the extremely wealthy. Projected premium increases of 20% over current law.

According to CNN, premiums would go down by 4%.
Since it was CNN, I might tend to believe your source ... whatever that is.

 

[oldngray]

This isn't difficult math. More people uninsured = higher costs for everyone. The costs get passed on to the paying customers, it's better to have everyone insured so rates can reflect actual costs and maintain a stable predictable market.

Not higher cost for everyone.

Only higher cost for those who were having others pay for it.

Are you mad because you will no longer be getting a subsidy for yourself?

 

[Catatonic]

This isn't difficult math. More people uninsured = higher costs for everyone. The costs get passed on to the paying customers, it's better to have everyone insured so rates can reflect actual costs and maintain a stable predictable market.

That's a Socialist viewpoint.
Many people would say, let the market set the prices.

 

[vantexan]

This isn't difficult math. More people uninsured = higher costs for everyone. The costs get passed on to the paying customers, it's better to have everyone insured so rates can reflect actual costs and maintain a stable predictable market.

Is that how it worked before Obamacare? I recall reasonable premiums and much better coverage.

 

[vantexan]

Try google and think about it.

Yeah, looked into disability for myself. Tough to get but if truly disabled then doable.

 

[Catatonic]

I have spoken with people who feel it cheaper to pay the penalty.

You don't even have to pay the penalty if your tax returns require a payment.
The US Central Government will seize your refund if you get one.
Lesson: Don't get a refund.

 

[vantexan]

I have spoken with people who feel it cheaper to pay the penalty.

Isn't Trump not enforcing the penalty?

 

[Catatonic]

This bill is tough on everyone except the extremely wealthy. Projected premium increases of 20% over current law.

Nothing is tough for the extremely wealthy except death.

 

[Catatonic]

Isn't Trump not enforcing the penalty?

Neither was Obama BTW.

 

[It will be fine]

Not higher cost for everyone.

Only higher cost for those who were having others pay for it.

Are you mad because you will no longer be getting a subsidy for yourself?

Nope. I make too much for a subsidy. Trumpcare will give me, a person that doesn't need it, a large tax credit for coverage. It will be personally beneficial to me. I think it's bad policy.