Pro's & Con's of TA List them

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by RealPerson, May 7, 2013.

  1. RealPerson

    RealPerson Active Member

    2013 No Increase
    2014 -.05 MINUS
    2015 -.05 MINUS
    2016 -.05 MINUS
    2017 +.05 PLUS

    So in 5 years we get a net NEGATIVE $.10 LOSS in Raises.

    No Catch Up raise to Full Time?

    Extend Progression to 4 years

    Benefits are currently Worse for Part Timers, with the UNION Promise they will be better.
    ( I do understand that this will be sent out later)

    Starting pay is a JOKE

    COLA calculations / raises are still a joke.

    UPS 4 Billion PROFIT in DOWN Economy.

    Amazon Threatening to Leave UPS.

    Seems like the UNION had them back in the corner, but they just scratched each other back.

    UNION Sure did get a Nice raise per Hour Per employee per hour if I read it correctly.
  2. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    ​You got some xplaining to do!
  3. UPSGUY72

    UPSGUY72 Well-Known Member

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  4. 728ups

    728ups offending people on the internet since 1995

    Ya'll ever hear the story of the Goose who laid Golden Eggs? The farmer got greedy and decided to cut the goose open and get ALL of the gold...............IMO this TA is a win/win for the company and the union
  5. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Pro's & Con's of TA List them

    It's not $0.10 less. Your getting $3.90 more. You are saying that there is nothing good in this contract? I'm saying you haven't read everything nor your supplement. I highly endorse this TA.
  6. InsideUPS

    InsideUPS Active Member

    Plus..... $2100 Part-time 35 year pension starting Jan. 1, 2014.
    Plus...... Part-time retiree health coverage..

    Potential Negative - Healthcare reductions moving to CS plan...still evaluating attached plan..


  7. UPS Preloader

    UPS Preloader Active Member

    From a Part Timer from the Northeast point of view:
    Pro: Raises are pretty decent.
    Con: The "Substantial" $1.50 raise is only for the 1st 90 days. After that it's only 50 cents as a result of them taking away the $1.00 increase after 90 days.
    Con: Progression raised to 4 years. (Doesn't affect me, but it affects my brother's and sister's.)
  8. TimeForChange

    TimeForChange Active Member

    Only in the very strange Hoffa spin universe can a 50 cent raise be termed "substantial".

    Lemme tell ya what IS substantial: Hoffa's belt size, salary, and ego.

    We've all seen the part-timers trudge out past the guard shack like a bunch of whipped puppies with sweat-stained t-shirts that were far dirtier than they were when the part-timers walked in.

    So the part-timers' reward for paying Union dues for the privilege of working their butts off for possibly the hardest-pushing company this side of Bangladesh, is an extra nickel extra every six minutes? Wowwwwww. That's absolutely sickening.

    What I hope is "substantial" is the part-timers' rage.
  9. Delivered

    Delivered Member

    You're missing the biggest reason to Vote NO...

    Nothing within this Memorandum of Understanding shall affect the Central States Health & Welfare Trustee’s right to modify benefit levels.
  10. Buck Fifty

    Buck Fifty New Member

    Raises and Insurance are no reason to turn this agreement down. The real reason to vote NO is in the language. Where are the stiffer penalties for violating the contract and seniority and oh yeah what about the 8.5 hour day. This contract gives the company the same leverage on its hourlies as the last 5 years. So everybody poor over the language a bit before ya get enamored with the raises and insurance. I say there is plenty of time to make some changes in the language to relieve some of leverage that the company abuses. I'll vote NO like I always do.
  11. upsrogue

    upsrogue New Member

    This is not a win for p/t. For a little perspective in 1981 I was earning $10.81 as a part time sorter, I started driving in June of 1981. In 1980, under a horrible economy, I earned about $15000 working part time
  12. quamba 638

    quamba 638 Member

    It's comparing the 2008-2012 contract raises, to this proposed contract. He's just saying its less in raises than last contract.
  13. quamba 638

    quamba 638 Member

    Pro's & Con's of TA List them

    The pension for pt went up 5 dollars a year.
  14. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    You haven't read anything correctly to this point.
  15. UPS Preloader

    UPS Preloader Active Member

    When you factor in the new raises versus the previous split raises the, two contracts are very similar.
  16. RealPerson

    RealPerson Active Member

    We use to have all the raises AFTER a year of working..... Lost that in the Last Contract...
    So now people settle for getting things back.. Crazy.

    UPS has RECORD Profits, and we are making less per year raise than the last contract.
  17. realbrown1

    realbrown1 Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.

    Derf, you are 100% correct. I went from leaning yes to a solid no when I saw that. I just don't want to take the chance my health care benefits will be crap for he next 5 years. And then have to negotiate something else away on the next contract to fix the health care from this contract.
  18. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    ​Wheres the solidarity Bro ... don't you trust your Union?
  19. yeldarb

    yeldarb Member

    I like this contract and feel it benefits both sides. Personally, I trust my union more than any management team I have ever had at ups in my career. .
  20. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    ​Understandable but don't you think the gap is narrowing?