Purple Flu Day

DontThrowPackages

Well-Known Member
Those extremist policies are keeping the economy from expanding with better opportunities for the average guy. That allows the corporations to dictate low pay and few, if any, benefits and keeps millions out of work. Which limits the tax base and puts us ever closer to fiscal disaster with the Dems printing money. Deluded, totally deluded.
But do you truly believe if companies were free to change the laws any way they saw fit that they would actually take care of its bottom employees? I think we would be in an even worse situation. Thank God they don't have that power.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
I'll take extremist policies over corporate greed any day. Somebody has to keep the right wing nut jobs in check.

Those extremist policies are keeping the economy from expanding with better opportunities for the average guy. That allows the corporations to dictate low pay and few, if any, benefits and keeps millions out of work. Which limits the tax base and puts us ever closer to fiscal disaster with the Dems printing money. Deluded, totally deluded.
Those extremist policies got us out of the hole your boy, Bush dug for us to fall in.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
But do you truly believe if companies were free to change the laws any way they saw fit that they would actually take care of its bottom employees? I think we would be in an even worse situation. Thank God they don't have that power.

Unfortunately large corporations have gotten too much power which is why I said between corporate greed and extremist policies this country is poisoned. Any system that benefits the few at the expense of the many needs to be reined in. But be careful with the tyranny of the majority too. There's a belief that our executives pay, if greatly reduced, would provide plenty for the employees. Take Fred S's million dollar or so annual salary. Divided amongst all of our employees over 52 weeks and you wouldn't even notice it. The real wealth is in the stock and everything they do is to get the price as high as possible. The only way to truly fight corporate America today is to cut off 401k contributions until they agree to pay us better. I have no problem with the CEO and founder of the company getting a million dollars a year salary. The problem is the constant squeeze to eek out more profit to keep Wall Street happy. They are killing the middle class and thus this country. And there are plenty of examples of Congressmen of all parties benefitting from this system too.
 

vantexan

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Those extremist policies got us out of the hole your boy, Bush dug for us to fall in.

Deluded, totally deluded. Ask around about the role Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, and Fannie Mae played. The Bush admin warned against what they were doing. And no one put a gun to Obama's head to make him spend like he has. We aren't out of the hole by a long shot because Obama made it bigger. Buy a clue.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
But do you truly believe if companies were free to change the laws any way they saw fit that they would actually take care of its bottom employees? I think we would be in an even worse situation. Thank God they don't have that power.

Unfortunately large corporations have gotten too much power which is why I said between corporate greed and extremist policies this country is poisoned. Any system that benefits the few at the expense of the many needs to be reined in. But be careful with the tyranny of the majority too. There's a belief that our executives pay, if greatly reduced, would provide plenty for the employees. Take Fred S's million dollar or so annual salary. Divided amongst all of our employees over 52 weeks and you wouldn't even notice it. The real wealth is in the stock and everything they do is to get the price as high as possible. The only way to truly fight corporate America today is to cut off 401k contributions until they agree to pay us better. I have no problem with the CEO and founder of the company getting a million dollars a year salary. The problem is the constant squeeze to eek out more profit to keep Wall Street happy. They are killing the middle class and thus this country. And there are plenty of examples of Congressmen of all parties benefitting from this system too.
I think a union at Express is more plausible than your delusional plan of cutting 401k contributions to cripple corporate America.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
Those extremist policies got us out of the hole your boy, Bush dug for us to fall in.

Deluded, totally deluded. Ask around about the role Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, and Fannie Mae played. The Bush admin warned against what they were doing. And no one put a gun to Obama's head to make him spend like he has. We aren't out of the hole by a long shot because Obama made it bigger. Buy a clue.
You couldn't buy a clue if it smacked you in the face. Bush will go down in history as the worst president ever who's policies and starting a war that never should have been sunk this country's economy to the point of almost not being able to recover from.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
You couldn't buy a clue if it smacked you in the face. Bush will go down in history as the worst president ever who's policies and starting a war that never should have been sunk this country's economy to the point of almost not being able to recover from.

Not by a long shot. We've currently got a President spending us into oblivion, who has an enemies list, who is threatening the sanctity of journalist integrity, who gets people killed to protect his political career. Bush is a boyscout by comparison. And USAToday ran an article clearly stating who were the major players in the real estate bubble that crashed the economy. Plenty of blame to go around and most of it wasn't Bush's. But the Democrat smear campaign would have you believe they're all angels who do no wrong while the Repubs are evil incarnate. Deluded, totally deluded.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
You couldn't buy a clue if it smacked you in the face. Bush will go down in history as the worst president ever who's policies and starting a war that never should have been sunk this country's economy to the point of almost not being able to recover from.

Not by a long shot. We've currently got a President spending us into oblivion, who has an enemies list, who is threatening the sanctity of journalist integrity, who gets people killed to protect his political career. Bush is a boyscout by comparison. And USAToday ran an article clearly stating who were the major players in the real estate bubble that crashed the economy. Plenty of blame to go around and most of it wasn't Bush's. But the Democrat smear campaign would have you believe they're all angels who do no wrong while the Repubs are evil incarnate. Deluded, totally deluded.
You go ahead and keep believing that crap and watch a democrat be elected to office in 2016.
 

DontThrowPackages

Well-Known Member
A president spending us into oblivion? House holds the "purse strings".
Almost 20pct of the budget is spent on Defense. Are you saying we should end our costly wars and close our military bases in foreign countries? Or do something about the 21pct spent on Medicaid and Medicare? Just those two fractions of the budget make up almost 50pct of spending. So funny to hear , " President....Spending too much....." Blah Blah. But when you ask what would they cut from the budget they're so quit to say welfare when welfare is like 2pct of the budget. Believe me, the GOP is fine with what being spent. They just won't say it because they're owned by lobbyist.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Almost 20pct of the budget is spent on Defense. Are you saying we should end our costly wars and close our military bases in foreign countries? Or do something about the 21pct spent on Medicaid and Medicare? Just those two fractions of the budget make up almost 50pct of spending. So funny to hear , " President....Spending too much....." Blah Blah. But when you ask what would they cut from the budget they're so quit to say welfare when welfare is like 2pct of the budget. Believe me, the GOP is fine with what being spent. They just won't say it because they're owned by lobbyist.

The GOP likes war, because it's "good for business". Big defense contractors, food purveyors, and many other industries cash-in when we are at war. The Carlisle Group, Haliburton, General Dymanics...the list goes on and on. John Boehner, who is always decrying excessive spending, was pushing the hardest for a second engine program for one of our latest fighter planes. There was nothing wrong with the engine that was chosen, but having a pure-pork backup engine would have meant huge money for a factory that happened to be located in his home state.

All politicians want to bring home the pork, but some of the worst offenders are those that scream the loudest to cut government spending.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
A president spending us into oblivion? House holds the "purse strings".

And most of the damage was done before the Repubs retook the House, which reined in most of the overspending. But now the administration is printing money to pay for the interest on the debt and the House isn't cutting back on the programs already in place because it would be political suicide. So deficit spending continues. We need someone with the backbone to put a plan in place that reduces spending, over time if necessary, until the money we take in exceeds spending.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
We need the American people to suck it up and realize that taxes are going to have to go up and spending cut.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Almost 20pct of the budget is spent on Defense. Are you saying we should end our costly wars and close our military bases in foreign countries? Or do something about the 21pct spent on Medicaid and Medicare? Just those two fractions of the budget make up almost 50pct of spending. So funny to hear , " President....Spending too much....." Blah Blah. But when you ask what would they cut from the budget they're so quit to say welfare when welfare is like 2pct of the budget. Believe me, the GOP is fine with what being spent. They just won't say it because they're owned by lobbyist.

I agree about the military but let's look at it further. Under Obama the number of bureaucrats in Washington making $150k or more has increased by thousands from hundreds under Bush. Washington has had a huge amount of money poured into it and government bureaucracy has increased exponentially. Obama has lost billions investing in "green" energy, and just about every one of those companies have gone broke despite receiving hundreds of millions each. And sorry, but under Obama military spending hasn't gone up but social programs have, and some, like ACORN, were just payback for helping him get elected. Notice ACORN no longer exists due to being exposed for scamming the government. Another in a long string of scandals that have been swept away. If we're going to get the debt under control the Federal gov't will just have to reduce spending across the board to all sectors and stop playing sugar daddy to supporters. No matter who is in power. Probably won't happen and with this amount of debt will eventually screw us.
 
Not by a long shot. We've currently got a President spending us into oblivion, who has an enemies list, who is threatening the sanctity of journalist integrity, who gets people killed to protect his political career. Bush is a boyscout by comparison. And USAToday ran an article clearly stating who were the major players in the real estate bubble that crashed the economy. Plenty of blame to go around and most of it wasn't Bush's. But the Democrat smear campaign would have you believe they're all angels who do no wrong while the Repubs are evil incarnate. Deluded, totally deluded.
USA today said it, it must be true. The 2 party monopoly got everyone going back and forth on each other while they laugh.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
USA today said it, it must be true. The 2 party monopoly got everyone going back and forth on each other while they laugh.

You're right, let's forget a national publication staking it's reputation on accurate and fair reporting. You guys automatically know what's going on. Repubs bad, Dems good. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
 

NonyaBiznes

Yanked Out My Purple-Blood I.V. In 2000!
Please do a fact check. Acorn no longer exists, because they are no longer getting funding. And speaking of scandals, the video was a "lie". Oh, you didn't get that memo, right?
 
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