This is all we need to know right here. I hope teamsters don’t think if we say “please”, that UPS will give us something.
Ready to Strike?
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Johney
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Keep your day job. Already enough out of work comedians.
Trucker Clock
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When the Hoffa administration ratified the last Contract right after the rank and file voted it down even after UPS released a statement that they were willing to go back to the table really showed their true nature. They were scared...plain and simple, they did not believe that the members would hold the line if a strike was called. Everybody (particularly the Company) knew that Hoffa was out after the 2013 Contract and the 2015 General Election that he barely won.
Thanks....
Has it really changed or are going to be played again...have to see?
I have said it before. The Company cannot afford a strike, with all the shareholders now. As long as it is not a ridiculous take it or leave it offer by the Union, we will get a good contract.
Trucker Clock
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Never said we shouldn't.
So, if you don't get all of the Company's profits over the last 5 years, you will strike. You're brilliant.
Keep I mind that something like $6B of that $12B in profit was purely a one time write-off of liability for Central States Pension with the government handout and is not ongoing profit.
MostHelpNeeded
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I understand, and I also understand that profit can be manipulated. Revenue is where it's at, and regardless of actual profit, my point still stands. It's how they choose to allocate that revenue.
The wealth gap is getting out of control. Middle class has been declining my whole life. The fight is to rebalance that gap. Again Allocation. The problem is not just at UPS, it's everywhere. Huge profits, Huge payouts for a few and the rest barely scrape by. The younger generation is waking up to the BS of this, and there is a finally a desire for a labor movement growing. We're the biggest single employer union here, working for a very profitable company. If we can't show the world the power and benefit of a union, then who the hell is supposed to?
burrheadd
KING Of GIFS
Got damn you must be older than Rod
burrheadd
KING Of GIFS
You sound scared
burrheadd
KING Of GIFS
You’re back at it
Full blown circles you’re talking in
Nobody can make heads or tales out of
your nonsense
Well maybe Integrity can you and he seem to be of the same ilk
Trucker Clock
Well-Known Member
Nope. I’ll be just fine either way.
I am worried about the bottom 20% if if just comes down to a pissing contest.
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
rod
Retired 22 years
74 and counting
I never said all, but now I’m thinking we should get all of it. You sound like a scared center manager. You criticized me for wanting way too much but then you throw out there that I want ALL profits from 5 years. I’m talking about profits since 1997 and the profits over the next contract. The $30B was just this contract and we still have another year. Go get those figures then let’s sit at the table. I’m sorry but when you’ve treated your employees like
for decades, don’t come to us wanting to give us your deal. UPS will be coming to us for a deal. Grow a pair nuts lad.FYI just over the past 12 years UPS net profit is about $54B. Like i said, NOTHING I PROPOSED IS UNREASONABLE!
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
Back to this again.
The Hoffa administration was compelled to follow the IBT Constitution.... plain and simple.
Scared.... ? Nope.
But, it was a "bitch slap" of reality.
Are you going to call a strike, when only 22% even bothered to vote on it ?
Thebrownblob
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I understand people being upset about the last contract and the way it was ratified. But it is mostly a misunderstanding of the bylaws of the international constitution, it was not a sneaky trick, It was a legitimate provision. Complaining about how the contract was negotiated is legitimate, but once it was voted on we could not go back, most of the things disliked were brought up and implemented because of union negotiators, I believe they thought it would work, unfortunately they were naïve. I do feel the democratic process in our union worked and the provision was removed. For better or worse we will find out.
Trucker Clock
Well-Known Member
Like I said, you're brilliant.
Business 101. Companies are in business to make money. If they don't turn a profit, they shut down.
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Could be wrong on this...didn’t Hoffa have a choice between ratifying the Contract or going back to table?
The last time we ever had a contract vote over 50 % participation was back in 1997. We can’t keep using our membership’s apathy as an excuse for lack of backbone from our elected officials.
Study the General Election participants ..the apathy is the same ... only 200,000 voted out of 1.4 million.
Again ancient history...a deed done..
Thebrownblob
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He did have a choice,
But I don’t think Hoffa at that point had the desire or fight left. As well as many of the things disliked (like 22.4) were union negotiator proposals.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
I respectfully disagree.
Hence the purpose of eliminating the 2/3's rule. He was bound by the IBT constitution. A no-win situation.
Unfortunately, the members showed their disdain and disinterest by not voting.
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