Oh I get it. Your job is to question everything. Okay carry on with your purpose. You're doing a good job with it.
Saturday or Sunday hmm
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upschuck
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I don't know how long that other part has been in, how many Pres did nothing to change it? Did you put in a suggestion for that change in this contract?
Don't accept it, don't call in, just tell them you are not required to come in that day, and grieve it.
Had the IBT negotiated $1.00 yearly increases and offset the difference with lower benefit increases, this last CBA would have passed 3-1 but the IBT didn't do that now did they. They also didn't take a penny in dues increases from the retro checks, which should have been effective Oct 1, 2013, which in turn caused revenue losses to every UPS local.
Does TDU have an open position for headline writer?
Bubblehead
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I did not, as I thought and still think that the language is clear and fairly rigid.
I have always signed up for these days in the past and will continue in the future.
Can't resist the double time.
Now when they tell me I have to work Christmas???....count on me not coming in, no-call no-show.
Until then, I wouldn't feel right grieving it, but would welcome the opportunity as a steward to argue the merits of the case.
In the end, this is just a discussion and I appreciate your candor.
I poke at BUG, because he pretends to know something that he won't share.
It aggravates Bojangles; as it seems to make him nervous, then angry, when anybody questions any facet of the union.
He tends to view it as some people view Momma jokes.
He runs full circle periodically contending these are just words on the internet, but always finds himself wrought with hard feelings over a differences of opinions.
I hope he gets over it, again.
Bubblehead
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You are right, it would have passed overwhelmingly and that is what I am cautioning people against.
Look past the hourly rate as it will most certainly level off at some point, and when it does, I hope we don't realize that we have sold off the rest of our century old negotiated benefits in the process.
The IBT negotiated a CBA with UPS providing language giving Teamsters the right to move UPS's packages every day UPS operates. No language precludes UPS from scheduling days without the IBT's permission (excepting Labor Day), to move packages and Teamsters move those packages. Sub contractors can be used only after exhausting all bargaining unit employees.
Past practice only kicks in if the CBA is silent. The IBT's lawyers advised the IBT brass that the contract language exists for scheduling work on holidays, and again Teamsters do that work.
Your presumption is that the IBT "knew" UPS would apply language to work a full fledged operation on Friday after Thanksgiving 2014 during the CBA negotiations of 2013 (before the 2013 Christmas meltdown). There was no way that could have been predicted so the existing language was not adjusted.
This is solely UPS's call as the IBT does not schedule UPS's work.
BigUnionGuy
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Still waiting.
Wow. That is a definitive statement by a "company" man.... if I ever heard one.
See.... that's how it's done.
If you are going to take the ball to the hoop, go strong.
None of that little whinny, meandering, 2-handed (between the legs) free throw.
-Bug-
Bubblehead
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Perhaps his assumption was that this long standing language would be "applied" as it had been for decades and that the IBT would put up a fight, instead of siding with the company?
The language need not be adjusted, rather argued and defended.
Why would anybody grieve this, when the IBT had already disseminated through the various panels and locals their position that this was not a violation?
That strong move was just swatted into the first row of the bleachers. Lol
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BigUnionGuy
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Bubblehead
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I can't vote but can I help run your campaign?I do say and it's 2 years.
Besides that, you are only make believe.
BigUnionGuy
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Bubblehead
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I'm not sure you would approve of my platform?
I respect you but you have always treated me fairly. Never having a problem with you.
I love being a teamster. I thank God that good old guys took me under their wing 20 years ago. I appreciate those teamsters and want to make a difference. I'm a little nuts. Im a teamster that's a little nuts about being a teamster. I enjoy the hell out of being a teamster. I thank the teamsters and the guys that brought me up in my local to help me appreciate what I have in being a teamster. The benefits the wages the respect that a teamster gets. I appreciate when I was almost out of a job and the president and the whole e board came a protected my job. It was one of the proudest days of my life. I have a lot to be thankful for in being a teamster. They protected my family when the company wanted to take their future away. Proud teamster.
BigUnionGuy
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I appreciate your strong Union stance and involvement.
Fortunately, people like us are the ones who get it done.
Where would the UPS members be.... without active Teamsters ?
Happy Holidays.
-Bug-
Thank you. Happy holidays to you as well. I appreciate you very much.
Irishman Collins
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I couldn't disagree with you more. Past practice can be applied to language that isn't silent. For example, in this case the language had been interpreted the same for decades. Now all of a sudden it's been interpreted to mean something entirely different. That is when past practice can be argued unless of course the I.B.T. agreed to its current interpretation and that my friend is exactly what happened.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
Yep.
Um.... not really.
It's not been re-interpreted.
Just applied differently.
You can argue "past practice" all you want.
There are 5 requirements, that must be met.
And let me tell you.... the bar is set high.... for the requirements to be met.
(Not just through the Panel system, but in Arbitration)
-Bug-
*Are people just going to complain.... Or, file a grievance ?*
