Supervisors Helping PH Load

[Number24]

Supervisors Helping Package Handlers

(When in need of help due to heavy belt package volume when loading 3-4 cars). IS THIS AN OK THING OR A BAD THING?

The way I see it and every other person should too:
It is OK for PT & FT Sups to help out PH when loading their trucks if he or she can't keep up or if the belt volume is heavy. THE MORE HELP THE BETTER. For EX. - He or she is loading truck #'s 996, 995, & 994. The person loading truck number 994 just got out of his or her truck and looks on the belt for other truck number's and gets a 996 package when still at truck 994 then as soon as he or she is going to enter truck # 996 a 995 package appears but is missed because he or she is entering truck number 996 and passes him or her. Now his or her PT Sup sees that they have missed the package and loads it into the correct car to help him or her out.

PC Drivers threatening Sups with grievances helping out PH loading trucks before departure time.
In my eyes this is a great big help. In other cases, PC Drivers threaten Sups who even dare to look at a package with grievances. A lot of PC Drivers come in early to help sort out the way they want their truck to be. I will be doing the same when I start driving.

Please,
let's discuss this Supervisor vs. Hourly topic in a reasonable manner and see how many people disagree or agree with supervisors working even if it benefits both the PC Driver and Package Handler.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Hire more Union hourlies and less PT or FT supervisors. Absolutely wrong for sups to be doing any hourly work.

 

[Number24]

Hire more Union hourlies and less PT or FT supervisors. Absolutely wrong for sups to be doing any hourly work.

I 100% agree with hiring MORE hourly employees man.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Supervisors Helping Package Handlers

(When in need of help due to heavy belt package volume when loading 3-4 cars). IS THIS AN OK THING OR A BAD THING?

The way I see it and every other person should too:
It is OK for PT & FT Sups to help out PH when loading their trucks if he or she can't keep up or if the belt volume is heavy. THE MORE HELP THE BETTER. For EX. - He or she is loading truck #'s 996, 995, & 994. The person loading truck number 994 just got out of his or her truck and looks on the belt for other truck number's and gets a 996 package when still at truck 994 then as soon as he or she is going to enter truck # 996 a 995 package appears but is missed because he or she is entering truck number 996 and passes him or her. Now his or her PT Sup sees that they have missed the package and loads it into the correct car to help him or her out.

PC Drivers threatening Sups with grievances helping out PH loading trucks before departure time.
In my eyes this is a great big help. In other cases, PC Drivers threaten Sups who even dare to look at a package with grievances. A lot of PC Drivers come in early to help sort out the way they want their truck to be. I will be doing the same when I start driving.

Please,
let's discuss this Supervisor vs. Hourly topic in a reasonable manner and see how many people disagree or agree with supervisors working even if it benefits both the PC Driver and Package Handler.

When I worked at FedEx Ground I saw first hand what happens when supervisors are allowed to do package handler work. They use less package handlers and send the remaining ones home early. There was no 3.5 guarantee.

 

[PT Car Washer]

The drivers that come in early off the clock can and should be facing disciplinary action up to termination. They are in violation of Federal Labor law.

 

[greengrenades]

Management shouldn't touch a box. Ever.

 

[Number24]

When I worked at FedEx Ground I saw first hand what happens when supervisors are allowed to do package handler work. They use less package handlers and send the remaining ones home early. There was no 3.5 guarantee.

Really?

 

[Number24]

The drivers that come in early off the clock can and should be facing disciplinary action up to termination. They are in violation of Federal Labor law.

In all seriousness?

 

[Number24]

Management shouldn't touch a box. Ever.

Hire more hourly employees & this topic would never exist

 

[MendozaJ]

Your union is weak.

 

[I Am Jacks Damaged Box]

When I worked at FedEx Ground I saw first hand what happens when supervisors are allowed to do package handler work. They use less package handlers and send the remaining ones home early. There was no 3.5 guarantee.

This.

 

[PT Car Washer]

In all seriousness?

This what the drivers in my building were told by the center manager.

 

[I Am Jacks Damaged Box]

Your union is weak.

 

[jibbs]

In all seriousness?

idk about legal violations, but I look at it this way...


Say the drivers I load for come in early and sort out their trucks while they're not supposed to be on the clock. Makes my job easier right? One less truck I have to deal with, so how on earth could that possibly bother me?

Well, brother, first and foremost I have this job to make money. When my supervisor sees my drivers filling my pull, handling packages, loading trucks and/or just shooting the with one another, it becomes my supervisor's priority to get me off the clock as fast as ing possible with no regard for what I'd prefer to do, which is finish my job and get paid for every minute that it takes me to complete the work they give. A fair day's work for a fair day's pay, no?

Unfortunately, and although we're all Teamsters, when a FTer comes in to do a PTer's work, the PTer tends to get the ing boot even though we get hours to begin with.



That said, my drivers all come in early. I'm kind of a dick about my spot, though, and we've all figured out an arrangement where, if they're at their truck, they're inside that mother er and the supervisors can't see them without actually coming back into our area. More often than not, though, they come in, drop off their lunchboxes and other at their truck and dip out until after their PCM.

and that's how I prefer it.



I work to work, not to let other people do the work I'm supposed to.





As far as management working... it happens. If you don't like it, file a grievance. If you do like it, don't try to argue with super pro-union guys about how it helps you because that is contractually not allowed except under several specific circumstances. Take the help from management, but don't think for a second that that's how this job is supposed to be. What should be happening is, instead of management, they send another hourly to help out with the work. Don't have another hourly on the payroll? Well , man, looks like it's time to hire more people or start lettin' folks double-shift.

 

[GetTacosOrDieTrying]

It's goes against the contract for management to do union work. Really it's stealing money from the hourlies

 

[I Am Jacks Damaged Box]

It's goes against the contract for management to do union work. Really it's stealing money from the hourlies

Exactly.

Stealing time goes both ways!

 

[GetTacosOrDieTrying]

Exactly.

Stealing time goes both ways!

But the flipside to that management is allowed to steal from us if its not grieved. But when you have a bunch of lazy pt handlers it will be allowed

 

[I Am Jacks Damaged Box]

But the flipside to that management is allowed to steal from us if its not grieved. But when you have a bunch of lazy pt handlers it will be allowed

 

[By The Book]

I 100% agree with hiring MORE hourly employees man.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say it's ok for sups to do hourly work and say it's ok for ft to file grievances on them doing hourly work. You agree with them hiring more hourly employees, but say you think it should be ok for sups to do ph work. Well guess what, if you let them do hourly work do you think they will ever hire another hourly?

 

[Number24]

idk about legal violations, but I look at it this way...


Say the drivers I load for come in early and sort out their trucks while they're not supposed to be on the clock. Makes my job easier right? One less truck I have to deal with, so how on earth could that possibly bother me?

Well, brother, first and foremost I have this job to make money. When my supervisor sees my drivers filling my pull, handling packages, loading trucks and/or just shooting the with one another, it becomes my supervisor's priority to get me off the clock as fast as ing possible with no regard for what I'd prefer to do, which is finish my job and get paid for every minute that it takes me to complete the work they give. A fair day's work for a fair day's pay, no?

Unfortunately, and although we're all Teamsters, when a FTer comes in to do a PTer's work, the PTer tends to get the ing boot even though we get hours to begin with.



That said, my drivers all come in early. I'm kind of a dick about my spot, though, and we've all figured out an arrangement where, if they're at their truck, they're inside that mother er and the supervisors can't see them without actually coming back into our area. More often than not, though, they come in, drop off their lunchboxes and other at their truck and dip out until after their PCM.

and that's how I prefer it.



I work to work, not to let other people do the work I'm supposed to.





As far as management working... it happens. If you don't like it, file a grievance. If you do like it, don't try to argue with super pro-union guys about how it helps you because that is contractually not allowed except under several specific circumstances. Take the help from management, but don't think for a second that that's how this job is supposed to be. What should be happening is, instead of management, they send another hourly to help out with the work. Don't have another hourly on the payroll? Well , man, looks like it's time to hire more people or start lettin' folks double-shift.