Teamsters to STRIKE UPS coming soon.

[MangoMango]

Well, I'm voting NO for very selfish reasons. I want LESS money. I want less OT and more time for my family from improved 9.5 language.

 

[bowhnterdon]

People are playing with fire.

No way Junior calls a strike. Never. He will impose the Master before any Strike

 

[Dracula]

With the leadership of OZ coming and the members wanting to vote this contract down. Get ready to walk the line. Sean and Fred want a Strike. We are going on Strike.

I like your sense of humor.

 

[Dracula]

...3,000 new Feeder sleeper teams....

WRONG.

 

[Coldworld]

WRONG.

Yeah who knows... they might start pulling loads off the rails and decide it’s not working and only create 1000 or 500...

 

[Dracula]

Its a DOT law.

You're wrong again here. But, for argument's sake, go ahead and post the DOT law you refer to.

I'll wait for your answer the same amount of time I will wait for a strike.

 

[Coldworld]

Whatever you think. They want the general public to blame you and Unions in general. This will be their last best and final offer.

Did ups say that at the end of the negotiations... in the open negotiation forum???

 

[Dracula]

Yeah who knows... they might start pulling loads off the rails and decide it’s not working and only create 1000 or 500...

If they follow the language of the proposed contract, they WILL create the 2000 jobs as promised. They will, because if they do, our 2000 jobs will pull the loads off the rails so they can be put on the road for subcontactors.

There is no 2000 new sleeper team jobs. Not for union employees. Our 2000 jobs will be local. Jobs, yes. But not the preferred road runs. Those will be going to UPS's Coyote drivers.

That's what you might call the beginning of the end. That's some keen negotiating work, Tony Q.

 

[Coldworld]

If they follow the language of the proposed contract, they WILL create the 2000 jobs as promised. They will, because if they do, our 2000 jobs will pull the loads off the rails so they can be put on the road for subcontactors.

There is no 2000 new sleeper team jobs. Not for union employees. Our 2000 jobs will be local. Jobs, yes. But not the preferred road runs. Those will be going to UPS's Coyote drivers.

That's what you might call the beginning of the end. That's some keen negotiating work, Tony Q.

That’s until they train up the needed people to run on those sleeper teams... or am I missing something here.... coyotes cannot run that volume indefinitely...

 

[Dracula]

We know the cushion the company had in 97. No real competition to worry about taking our volume.
But now, it's even more of a gamble and truly a losing proposition.

Both sides lose. Everyone goes down together.

But...

Do you remember what Kelly said when Carey left the GP position?

It was reported from a company source that he was glad to have Jr as GP because he was more of a businessman than Carey. (Paraphrased)

So which is better:
*Strength (to keep the company at bay).
Or...
*Compromise to help the company post even larger profits (future marketplace share).
?
Since few of us have any low down on the TA trade offs it is hard to judge the big picture of what's going on in the negotiations but I believe that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Looks like L89 did well. How does that compare to the CR and the NMA? There may be an enlightening example.

Hoffa, a businessman?

Sure, if you want to call an inexperienced lawyer a businessman.

 

[Dracula]

Either way I will be fine with the outcome.

Spoken like a true union official.

 

[Dracula]

That’s until they train up the needed people to run on those sleeper teams... or am I missing something here.... coyotes cannot run that volume indefinitely...

Read this:

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.n...48/UPS-Tentative2018-071018Web.pdf?1531239648

Article 26 Section 6, titled, Removal of Loads from Rail

Read it real close, because the 2000 jobs we will get are from removing loads from the rails, not running them. The contractors will run them.

Indefinitely, until the next contract.

 

[Tony Q]

Spoken like a true union official.

I have to be. Whatever the members chose in a vote I have to be prepared.

 

[Tony Q]

Did ups say that at the end of the negotiations... in the open negotiation forum???

Huh

 

[Tony Q]

You're wrong again here. But, for argument's sake, go ahead and post the DOT law you refer to.

I'll wait for your answer the same amount of time I will wait for a strike.

HOURS-OF-SERVICE RULES
PROPERTY-CARRYING DRIVERS PASSENGER-CARRYING DRIVERS
11-Hour Driving Limit
May drive a maximum of 11 hours after 10 consecutive hours off duty. 10-Hour Driving Limit
May drive a maximum of 10 hours after 8 consecutive hours off duty.
14-Hour Limit
May not drive beyond the 14th consecutive hour after coming on duty, following 10 consecutive hours off duty. Off-duty time does not extend the 14-hour period. 15-Hour Limit
May not drive after having been on duty for 15 hours, following 8 consecutive hours off duty. Off-duty time is not included in the 15-hour period.
Rest Breaks
May drive only if 8 hours or less have passed since end of driver’s last off-duty or sleeper berth period of at least 30 minutes. Does not apply to drivers using either of the short-haul exceptions in 395.1(e). [49 CFR 397.5 mandatory “in attendance” time may be included in break if no other duties performed] 60/70-Hour Limit
May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days.
60/70-Hour Limit
May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days. A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.


NOTICE: The Consolidated and Further Continuing Appropriations Act of 2015 was enacted on December 16, 2014, suspending enforcement of new requirements for use of the 34-hour restart, pending a study. Based on the findings from the study, the 34-hour restart rule in operational effect on June 30, 2013, is restored to full force and effect. The requirement for two off-duty periods of 1:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. in section 395.3(c) of the Agency’s hours-of-service rules will not be enforced, nor will the once-per-week limit on use of the restart in 395.3(d).

 

[Tony Q]

WRONG.

2,000 you got me crossed up

 

[Tony Q]

No way Junior calls a strike. Never. He will impose the Master before any Strike

Don't be so sure. He is an old dog on three legs. He's about to make his last, and some will say only stand.

 

[Coldworld]

Huh

Did ups tell you that that was their last best and final offer???

 

[Coldworld]

Read this:

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.n...48/UPS-Tentative2018-071018Web.pdf?1531239648

Article 26 Section 6, titled, Removal of Loads from Rail

Read it real close, because the 2000 jobs we will get are from removing loads from the rails, not running them. The contractors will run them.

Indefinitely, until the next contract.

We don’t have enough people trained to cover those loads so the company said they were going to hire 100 trainers.... what would be ideal language in there to satisfy you??? Not trying to argue just curious because I am without a doubt a NO vote on this master anyway....there’s no way the company could train 2000 people in a year..

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Hoffa, a businessman?

Sure, if you want to call an inexperienced lawyer a businessman.

I didn't say it. Kelly did.