Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by H82looz, Feb 23, 2011.


Should UPS Teamster employees have the right to opt out of the union?

Poll closed Mar 2, 2011.
  1. Yes

  2. No

  1. H82looz

    H82looz New Member

    Is it just me or do you believe that the Teamster brass are part of the Obama administration? Hoffa and his crew are no better than politicians, do they care to take care of us(membership) or to advance themselves. What in the world does the Teamsters do with our dues? Allow me to take a shot at answering, our dues go directly to the democrate party. Am I the only one that takes great offense to this. The democrate party has nothing I or a whole lot of my union bros. believe in. I for one am totally ashamed that Teamster brass continues to go along with Obama and his left wing radical cronies that are trying to destroy America. They (Hoffa) say that health care is essential to America, then they ask for a waiver. Allowing political correctness to run our country and union, what a sham. The whole aspect of the union is a ponzi scheme. Seeing the public sector unions in Wisconsin scream bloody murder and want more of my tax money, so they can pay union dues which go right to Obama the community organiser. Our country needs right to work laws, this will give people who don't want to work in a union the RIGHT to say NO, instead of being forced to be in a union that we don't believe in politically speaking. I for one detest the teamsters for putting my union dues towards a political group I despise, which is the party of our fearless tail between the legs President, Obama. In closing I would like the Teamsters be de-certified as our union.
  2. 804brown

    804brown Well-Known Member

    Clueless of the World Unite!
  3. rod

    rod retired and happy

    Heaven help you all if UPS ever gets to the point of being non union.
  4. RoyalExpress

    RoyalExpress New Member

    Heaven help you all if UPS ever gets to the point of being non union.

    I couldn't agree more!!!!
  5. softshoe

    softshoe Member

    [. In closing I would like the Teamsters be de-certified as our union.[/QUOTE]

    In closing, I would like H82Looz to be de -certified.
  6. kmjs14

    kmjs14 New Member

    Serious question: Why are we so conservative compared to other countries? Why is being "liberal" labeled as bad when other countries especially in Europe are progressive in their thinking when it comes to social programs? I'm not looking for nonsense but serious opinions.
  7. grgrcr88

    grgrcr88 No It's not green grocer!

    Welcome to Brown Cafe, now GO AWAY!!!!!
  8. hubrat

    hubrat Squeaky Wheel

    I do not believe any one should be forced into Teamster representation. I am in a right-to-work state and I know a few guys who are not dues-paying members. I do, however, believe that if you want their help you should pay their bill like I do. Plus it seems like ppl who don't pay dues are the first to whine about the work.

    We may get hit with a two-tier pay system in 2013. I think workers who opt out of the union should opt for the lower tier.
  9. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    Some of our dues do gp corerctly to politicans, but we have a seperate section to donate to which is called DRIVE and that money goes to them..

    You dont leave a union because they are being wrong run, you stand up and fight for changes so that maybe one day it will be run right.

    If you want out of the union I would also like you to lose everything that comes with being a union mmber. You right to bargain, pay scale, medical plane, penions and teh list goes on.

    I want to apoligize for my speeling and if i come across all messe up, I just had my back surgery last night amd i, all doped up on drugs at the hospita; here.
  10. Had enough

    Had enough Member

    You said it all for me. You sounded just fine, especially after a person who just had back surgery. I hope you feeling better soon. This job can do this to you. This is why the medical is so important.:wink2:
  11. kmjs14

    kmjs14 New Member

    Agreed....Workers should have the right to opt out but at the same time not reap the benefits.
    Many workers take the unions for granted and assume these great benefits were a gift from the company and would still exist without the union. I have been on both sides of the fence and can tell you from personal experience that if non-unionized, a company can change benefits/freeze pay etc at will. In those instances, employees can only suck it up and bi&*( to their fellow employee.

    But back to the OP....just by reading his/her rant you could tell an open minded dialogue would be nearly impossible.
  12. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll


    This is the classic example of a FOX news brainwashing. Specifically, a Bill Orielly "parrot". Last night, Bill Orielly made a statement where he said "dues" money "automatically" goes DIRECTLY to the democratic party and to candidates. This is NOT TRUE.

    What I find HILARIOUS about this post is the ridiculous nature of everything that was said that I highlighted in bold.

    For years, the democratic party has fought to "limit" the donation of "soft money" to political campaigns and passed laws making it harder to get this soft money to political candidates, but this poster said this:

    ""What in the world does the Teamsters do with our dues? Allow me to take a shot at answering, our dues go directly to the democrate party. Am I the only one that takes great offense to this.""

    Obviously, this poster is a republican, and based upon his entire post, he shows that he is an extreme right wing leaning thinker, or neo-conservative, yet what he fails to understand is the dynamic that he supports.

    He shows that he "supports" the republicans, all the while not understanding that it was the republicans who vote down bills preventing soft money, and in fact, the 5 republicans in the supreme court in a 5 to 4 ruling overturned a law preventing unions and corporations from making soft money donations.

    On January 21, 2010, the Supreme Court overturned a 20-year-old ruling that had previously prohibited corporations and unions from using money from their general treasuries to produce and run their own campaign ads.

    Now, thanks to the very political party that this poster supports, soft money can be donated by unions to politcal parties right out of the treasury versus separate fund raising arms like DRIVE and he is OUTRAGED, but he is outraged against the union?

    How does a person like this reconcile this type of thinking? He hates donations by unions to the democratic party but says nothing about the hundreds of corporations that donate to the same party. He wants to withdraw from the union because of their donations but I bet he will still shop at walmart, target, kmart, exxon, mobil, bass pro shops, cracker barrel and the like.

    Corporations donate three times as much money to political party's than unions do, yet he says nothing about that.

    His very party has, over the many decades been on the opposite side of controlling political donations yet he expresses his anger when the Teamsters merely play by the rules of the republican party.

    The Teamster locals will make political donations within limits of the treasury of each local and this has to be approved by the eboards before ANY money can go to any candidate. There is NO MONEY that automatically goes anywhere without a majority vote by the eboard of each local.

    Bill Orielly is INCORRECT (as usual) on this issue ,and this posters reaction by merely repeating him is exactly the kind of uninformed citizen that would side with a political party that does not have his own best interest at heart.

    Every member has the right to withdraw from the union in every state of this country, even in california. You dont have to be in a right to work state in order to do this, but why would you? You will still have to pay dues, and the only savings you would get would amount to about 10 bucks a month.

    For every person who works at UPS and feels the same as this poster does, the next time you get in trouble or fired, dont call your local or agent, handle it yourself and see where that gets you.

    The next time our contract comes up for renewal, dont take advantage of any benefits that are negotiated for you, tell the company you want to negotiate your own separate contract.

    H8toknow, why not come onto this board and post that you should be able to negotiate your own wages and benefit packages after you withdraw from the union.

    Here's an idea, why not create a two tier pay system for UPS, yes I said TWO TIER pay system so the company can save some money. We could have Tier 1 that would be comprised of UNION dues paying members who would work under a national agreed contract, and a Tier 2 that would be comprised of all the employees who opted out of the union and its national contract and would be forced to negotiate a local contract for employment.

    Why not force an employee who wants to opt out of the union to negotiate his own separate local agreement for employment? Why if they are so OFFENDED by the unions political actions should they benefit from a nationally negotiated contract by the very union they despise?

    It makes no sense to post something like H8torecognize has.

  13. Integrity

    Integrity Binge Poster


    What do you mean by this statement?

  14. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    The Other Side:

    You watch Fox every night. Why?
  15. 804brown

    804brown Well-Known Member

    It is amazing how "conservative" our government has become. We are a nation born of a revolution and now our government seems to side against revolutionaries whether in this country or abroad. But are the American people conservative? I don't think so. If this is such a conservative country, name me one conservative or right wing idea that has moved American society forward!

    Conservatives at the time of the Revolution sided with the Brits. Conservatives at the time sided with the slave owners in the Civil War. During the 18th century, it was progressives who fought to stop child labor and create unions while cons begged for the status quo. Who stood up for women's right to vote in 1920, progressives. During the great Depression, FDR and the New Deal saved our economy , gave us Social Security, unemployement insurance, the NLRB, relief for the poor, empowered unions, created jobs for the jobless as conservatives cried socialism. In the 1960s, when LBJ was creating Medicare for the elderly, the cons were once again crying socialism. When black people were marching for civil rights and women and gays for equal rights , cons said "not yet". When in the 1970s liberals pushed environmental laws and OSHA, cons stood for the polluters and Big Business. When supply side economics was all the rage in the 1980s , cons were pushing "free trade" as our savior, but we all know how that has hurt manufacturing in this country.

    A matter of fact I wouldn't even call them conservative at all. Today , it is the liberals or progressives who are trying to conserve what they have done (social security, unions, medicare, environmental laws, etc) over the years. The repubs are not conservative but more reactionary in nature. The only thing they want to conserve is the rich staying rich and the rest of us fighting it out!
  16. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    That's easy. I watch in order to memorialize what is said and when I hear it repeated, I know the source of the mis-information. On this board, Its a piece of cake to determine where YOU, moreluck, satellite driver and the like get your information.

    The problem with fox watchers, is that they are soo brainwashed against looking into any other forms of information, they can only accept what they are told from one cable news/opinion channel.

    The right wing has done a marvelous job over the last 15 years repeating such words as:

    The liberal media
    The progressive main stream
    The liberal main stream media

    The talking points vilifying other news channels has been a staple of Rush, Hannity, Orielly, Igraham, Malkin and the like on both TV and radio and this repetitious montra has turned people like moreluck into robots who disbelieve everything they hear from other sources even if it comes with FACTS attached.

    There is an old saying, "keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer"..

    I apply this to Fox news.

    Hope this helps you out.

  17. gray squirrel

    gray squirrel Member

    Wow, H82looz, get out of my head man, i could not have said it better myself, my feelings exactly!!! I'm sure hoffa and all the goons he is sending to Wisconsin, Ohio, etc, are being paid, having their meals, lodging, gas etc paid for by you and me with our union dues..
  18. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    I think you need help. You're wasting your life watching Fox 24/7 just so you can attack posts made by people who don't agree with you. I bet you mention Fox in 98% of your posts. Anyone who doesn't agree with 'The Other Side' can't possibly have their own opinion, they're obviously a Fox drone!

    I will clear up my own Fox opinion:

    1. I like the Shepard Smith news.

    2. I like the OReilly opinion show. (It's not news, you know)

    3. I hate Beck.

    4. I hate Hannity.

    5. I have no interest in Gretas show.

    Oh well, off to buy a book!
  19. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Here's my faves....

    Megan Kelly rules!!
    Shep is too folksy, down home for me.
    I like O'reilly
    I actually like to see Bob Beckel squirm
    Love Dennis Miller's comments
    Greta's on past my bedtime
    Can't take Geraldo
    Michelle Malkin is a hottie and I like her opinions
    Coulter's OK with me
    Huckabee is OK as a guest....not a whole show.
    Even Juan on Wednesdays has become likeable
    Bill Hemmer is a 'home state' boy.
    Can't stand Brit Hume.....glad he's gone except for special appearances
    like Dick Morris
    Like Frank Luntz
  20. washington57

    washington57 New Member

    Fox isn't a real news channel. Fox is an entertainment channel, can't take it seriously.

    Fox had a court ruling in favor of them that said that they basically didn't have to tell the truth. What they have done is deceived many dull-witted and gullible Americans that what they say has journalistic integrity.

    I'll reiterate:

    Not a news channel for facts. It is a joke news channel for disinformation.