Telematics...UPS is wiring your truck

[stevetheupsguy]

That's funny. I did it my self just a few months ago. When my shirt ripped it went from the end of the sleeve to half way down the side of my shirt. It's a good thing I got in the habit of wearing wife beaters under my work shirts. That could of been a little embarrassing.

I, for one, would love to have seen that picture.

 

[dilligaf]

I, for one, would love to have seen that picture.

At least it happened after all my business was done. All I had left was resi so I didn't see that many customers. I flipped the shirt sleeve up on my shoulder so it wouldn't keep flapping in the breeze. Oh well ***** happens. LOL

 

[dannyboy]

My sup told me that my lunch started once I broke trace.

Sober

No where in the DOT or state regs do I see any reference to breaking trace as part of the lunch issue.

d

 

[backinbrown]

Sober

No where in the DOT or state regs do I see any reference to breaking trace as part of the lunch issue.

d

I believe lunch starts when key comes out and diad gets thrown in back and bulkhead closed

 

[browniehound]

Ms.

Here is how they do it....

When the hardware is first installed, it starts gathering data. They don't have a PCM with the drivers at this point. Of course, drivers have an idea that something is going on because they see the new hardware.

After gathering data for a period of time, they create a baseline. This baseline is used to track improvements.

This is how they claim a success rate. They measure the % reduction in bulkhead door left opened, idle time, non seat belt usage, etc.

I've heard of improvements in accident frequencies as well as analysis by Liberty Mutual. I don't have more information than that.

P-Man

Hi P-man, you have me more interested now more than ever when you just posted above that UPS is playing with us! I've seen the wiring. We've had the PCM from a teamster on the safety commitee that said everyone would be wired by a certain date.

My package car is not wired yet and its been at least 3 months since the PCM.

So UPS is gathering data now without mentioning it to the driver commiting the infraction?

I have mixed feelings about this. It seems like UPS is setting its hard working drivers up to be disciplined. Our center manager stated that if you're not doing anything you're not supposed to then you have nothing to worry about.

I happen to agree with him, but we all do not follow the methods 100%, and that includes him. What happens then? What if your seatbelt is .25 seconds late being fastened on a road in east over-dispacth road, lol?

I know I will stand corrected that we must follow the methods everytime, but I don't know anyone that does 100% of the time.

If you say that you do then I think you're lying?

 

[BigBrownSanta]

Not lying.

Bulkhead door closed 100% of the time.

Seatbelt on 100% of the time.

Use turn signals 100% of the time.

4 way flashers on 100% of the time when parked.

If you learn to do it everytime, it becomes a habit. After it becomes a habit, you don't even have to think about it, you just do it.

 

[backinbrown]

HABITS i have heard that term used somewhere before but where?

 

[pretzel_man]

Hi P-man, you have me more interested now more than ever when you just posted above that UPS is playing with us! I've seen the wiring. We've had the PCM from a teamster on the safety commitee that said everyone would be wired by a certain date.

My package car is not wired yet and its been at least 3 months since the PCM.

So UPS is gathering data now without mentioning it to the driver commiting the infraction?

I have mixed feelings about this. It seems like UPS is setting its hard working drivers up to be disciplined. Our center manager stated that if you're not doing anything you're not supposed to then you have nothing to worry about.

I happen to agree with him, but we all do not follow the methods 100%, and that includes him. What happens then? What if your seatbelt is .25 seconds late being fastened on a road in east over-dispacth road, lol?

I know I will stand corrected that we must follow the methods everytime, but I don't know anyone that does 100% of the time.

If you say that you do then I think you're lying?

Brownie:

They are using this initial period just to gather statistics. They gather things like:

Number of occurrences and miles driven without a seatbelt
Number of occurrences and miles driven with the bulkhead door open
Number or hours spend with the engine idling
Number of occurrences of recording while travelling

They then begin the training and campaigns to bring these indicators to as low as possible. Most things get corrected just through a conversation.

It goes like, "did you know that...". I've given you the answer to the test. I'm showing you what they will measure (they measure backing too).

Just make it a habit now.

Going off area for lunch or driving inefficiently between stops can also be viewed, but they don't do that at the beginning. As I said, I'm only aware of one serious offence in these areas after 1500 driver days.

P-Man

 

[browniehound]

Brownie:

They are using this initial period just to gather statistics. They gather things like:

Number of occurrences and miles driven without a seatbelt
Number of occurrences and miles driven with the bulkhead door open
Number or hours spend with the engine idling
Number of occurrences of recording while travelling

They then begin the training and campaigns to bring these indicators to as low as possible. Most things get corrected just through a conversation.

It goes like, "did you know that...". I've given you the answer to the test. I'm showing you what they will measure (they measure backing too).

Just make it a habit now.

Going off area for lunch or driving inefficiently between stops can also be viewed, but they don't do that at the beginning. As I said, I'm only aware of one serious offence in these areas after 1500 driver days.

P-Man

Thanks for the reply P-man. I apprecitate the information that you posted because I can't find this anywhere else! Where would I go? The local library? lol.

I look forward to more conversations in the future.

Browniehound.

 

[brownman15]

p-man

when does it show that the belt is unbuckled: when the vehicle is running, vehicle in gear, or when vehicle is moving

 

[backinbrown]

You know some may just buckle belt behind them would that be funny

how did you deliver these stops when your seatbelt was on all day

 

[drewed]

p-man

when does it show that the belt is unbuckled: when the vehicle is running, vehicle in gear, or when vehicle is moving

Id say it would be before you put it in gear, for the GSE equipment if you dont have your seatbelt on and its in gear youre not wearing your seatbelt for its purpose...since once its in gear youll have to keep your foot on the brake and twist and turn to put your belt on causing possible foot slippage if it wasnt in gear it would be a problem

 

[backinbrown]

its all one motion

 

[LastBest&Final]

Exactly... Even with this "understatement", there was tremendous improvement in all elements. I was surprised.

P-Man

P-Man,
Did you see very many drivers that were perfect in all elements?

 

[Big Babooba]

p-man

when does it show that the belt is unbuckled: when the vehicle is running, vehicle in gear, or when vehicle is moving

Id say it would be before you put it in gear, for the GSE equipment if you dont have your seatbelt on and its in gear youre not wearing your seatbelt for its purpose...since once its in gear youll have to keep your foot on the brake and twist and turn to put your belt on causing possible foot slippage if it wasnt in gear it would be a problem

The truck has to show measurable speed in order to be gigged for a seat belt. I've had days where I've had 5 or 6 seat belt incidents with no distance measured. This usually occurs while you are starting out and clicking the belt or coming to a stop and releasing the belt as the truck stops.

 

[Coldworld]

There is a grey area here involving drivers on rural routes who need to drive off trace or even off area in order to find a bathroom or go to a restaraunt. The company has to allow the driver a reasonable amount of leeway if suitable meal or restroom facilites are not available.

I have also asked for, and been granted, permission to drive several miles off my area in order to go to a doctor appointment on my lunch hour. The alternative was for me to call in sick on a day when we were shorthanded which would have forced my supervisor to run my route cold with a part-timer helping him. My sup told me that my lunch started once I broke trace. Since I didnt enter my lunch period in the DIAD until I was about to punch out in the evening, I would have still been on the clock had there been an accident while I was driving it to the appointment. Technically I was using the company vehicle for personal reasons, but I had permission and it was certainly benefitting the company to allow me to do so.

sober, so some are saying that lunch is when you stop your vehicle. and your sup says its when you break trace...so which one is it. If your breaking trace and driving this shouldnt count as part of your lunch. I can see ups' point, you shouldnt be driving 20 minutes to a lunch spot then start your 30 + minute lunch, but for routes that are a few minutes from a place to eat.????

 

[HEFFERNAN]

The truck has to show measurable speed in order to be gigged for a seat belt. I've had days where I've had 5 or 6 seat belt incidents with no distance measured. This usually occurs while you are starting out and clicking the belt or coming to a stop and releasing the belt as the truck stops.

We have it in our building now.

I was told that you have up to .08 miles to click the belt on. Anything under this distance will not be counted as a violation. This was a concern for some drivers because some will click as they are driving to the next stop.

Sometimes it is hard to imagine .08 miles. Most if not all high school tracks are 1/4 mile. So a 1/3 of the track is .08 (.08333). When you think of it that way, that is a fair amount of time to click the belt.

Also, just say you are moving the truck up a couple houses without the belt, you won't be in violation as long as it was under .08 miles.

 

[pretzel_man]

You know some may just buckle belt behind them would that be funny

how did you deliver these stops when your seatbelt was on all day

p-man

when does it show that the belt is unbuckled: when the vehicle is running, vehicle in gear, or when vehicle is moving

P-Man,
Did you see very many drivers that were perfect in all elements?

Its recording all the time. Every time you buckle or unbuckle, its recorded. It later checks for when the seatbelt is off and the vehicle is moving.

Yes, its true that if you sat on a buckled seat belt all day, it would think you were 100% in seat belt usage. If course, they would wonder how you delivered strapped to the seat.

As far as drivers being 100% all day, I don't really look for that. There are some. More time is spent on center totals and outlyers.

Here are some typical results:
95% reduction in miles driven with the seat belt off
80% reduction in miles driven with the bulkhead door open
80% reduction in instances of recording while travelling
>50% reduction in idle time

As someone else said, these reductions are probably understated because drivers know they are going to be monitored before training occurs.

There is a driver training presentation. It outlines this in pretty good detail. It shows what will be tracked and I think even has example screens.

I would encourage drivers to ask and see the actual system.

P-Man

 

[LastBest&Final]

Have you ever seen an increase in these violations.

 

[Highwayman]

I heard a new system is coming for feeders too. Probably related.