Telematics...UPS is wiring your truck

[under paid slave]

im not sure where you all are but we've bene told here that we are the test site for this teleamatics system we are live already... but the true watching as they call it starts in march . we have been told is also called a virtual supervisor? just think they can watch all we do form delivery too driveing too speed too how mnay times you back up every little thing is watched . we already been told they'ed turned it on and have watched drivers do some odd things so also makes you wonder if you can ax a 20 yr driver dose that mean they realy need as many supervisors as they have ????????

 

[satellitedriver]

. I have been with the company long enough to give an educated opinion.

This sentence speaks volumes.
Opinions and education are mutually exclusive, by their very nature.
You have not been in Brown Cafe long enough to know that many of us have degrees and a long term work experience with UPS.
You might have one, but not the other.
You obfuscate.
Just my guess:
PT sup. working on a degree. (may have one,but, I doubt it)
Less than 3 years at UPS.

 

[tourists24]

Yep,,,, I can tell this system was truly designed mainly to monitor the "mechanical" side of things !%@#@

 

[soberups]

I can't believe you have made a statement like this. You need to "Sober UP" and realize the company you work for is a company that spends millions of dollars on safety training and equipment so that you can do your job safe each and every day...... I admire a company that would spend their money on your safety.....

Your statement is incorrect.

UPS doesnt spend "millions of dollars" on safety training so that we can do our jobs safely. They spend the absolute bare minimum amount of money required in order to pass a Keter audit and avoid being fined by OSHA.

Like you, I also "admire a company that would spend its money on my safety." Unfortunately, the company I work for... UPS... is not that company.

The company I work for made a business decision that the life of its employees was not worth the additional $40 expense of equipping its vehicles with 3-point seat belts.

The company I work made a business decision that the long-term physical health of its employees was not worth the additional $450 expense of equipping its vehicles with power steering.

Have you ever sat in or tried to work out of a P500, P800 or an older P-1000? Every single feature that might help to keep the driver alive in a collision or help him/her to work without pain and fatigue has been intentionally deleted in order to save UPS a meaningless amount of money....the same money that you praise UPS for supposedly being willing to spend on our "safety".

Quit reading your Safety Committee propaganda and start living in the real world.

 

[trplnkl]

Can you explain to me what proper etiquette means to you? I stated my opinion about a response/comment made about the company I work for. I believe I have the right to stick up for the company that employees me and supports me and my family. Read the previous responses and ask yourself if proper etiquette was used.

Well, let's see, to start will part of proper etiquette would be answering questions asked of you. What do you do for UPS? When did you start? Where are you get the right to make statements like "sober up" to someone you know absolutely nothing about? Why do you refuse to answer?

With statements like, "the company that employees me and supports me and my family.", you had better start doing some inner searching. UPS does not support my family, I do. I supported my family before UPS ever delivered one package in the city I live in. UPS simply supplies me with a job (that they need someone to do) and I supply them with an employee that does the very best he can, given the tools to do the job with. Now, here is where they usually come up with the "loyal to the company" bit, I am as loyal to UPS as they are to me, but they say it isn't enough on my part. huh.

 

[MechanicForBrown]

Again........... Yeah!!!!

 

[UPSNewbie]

Your statement is incorrect.

UPS doesnt spend "millions of dollars" on safety training so that we can do our jobs safely. They spend the absolute bare minimum amount of money required in order to pass a Keter audit and avoid being fined by OSHA.

Like you, I also "admire a company that would spend its money on my safety." Unfortunately, the company I work for... UPS... is not that company.

The company I work for made a business decision that the life of its employees was not worth the additional $40 expense of equipping its vehicles with 3-point seat belts.

The company I work made a business decision that the long-term physical health of its employees was not worth the additional $450 expense of equipping its vehicles with power steering.

Have you ever sat in or tried to work out of a P500, P800 or an older P-1000? Every single feature that might help to keep the driver alive in a collision or help him/her to work without pain and fatigue has been intentionally deleted in order to save UPS a meaningless amount of money....the same money that you praise UPS for supposedly being willing to spend on our "safety".

Quit reading your Safety Committee propaganda and start living in the real world.

"Spending" and "practicing" are two hugely different things. UPS isn't one for the latter.

 

[mnnice]

Your statement is incorrect.

UPS doesnt spend "millions of dollars" on safety training so that we can do our jobs safely. They spend the absolute bare minimum amount of money required in order to pass a Keter audit and avoid being fined by OSHA.

Like you, I also "admire a company that would spend its money on my safety." Unfortunately, the company I work for... UPS... is not that company.

The company I work for made a business decision that the life of its employees was not worth the additional $40 expense of equipping its vehicles with 3-point seat belts.

The company I work made a business decision that the long-term physical health of its employees was not worth the additional $450 expense of equipping its vehicles with power steering.

Have you ever sat in or tried to work out of a P500, P800 or an older P-1000? Every single feature that might help to keep the driver alive in a collision or help him/her to work without pain and fatigue has been intentionally deleted in order to save UPS a meaningless amount of money....the same money that you praise UPS for supposedly being willing to spend on our "safety".

Quit reading your Safety Committee propaganda and start living in the real world.

My real world is all about safety not only my own, but my families also. I will never quit reading the Safety Committee propaganda because it affects everyone. I think when you make your statement that the company doesn't spend millions on safety training you tend to forget that training is involved in every operation throughtout the country and not just in your operation. Every driver in the country must recieve a full day safety ride which is done by the on-road supervisor or center manager. The management time alone for this training would be in the millions. Each PT person must also recieves safety training one day a year which adds to the total. Each operation throughout the country has Safety Committees which are allotted hours for meetings and misc. which are based on the number of employees in the operation. These hours are added to the total. Every employee must view the Haz. Mat video each year plus the Lock Out video which is probably an hour . These hours are added to the total. Every two years an on-road supervisor must take a 20 hour class to improve their training skills and knowledge of the 5 Seeing Habits and 10 Point Commentary and be able to demonstrate their ability to train a driver. These hours are added to the total. Every new driver has to go through an orientation prior to driving which includes a lot of safety training. These hours are added to the total. Every Feeder on-road supervisor has to take a two week course on every aspect of training and driving a tractor trailer before they can train a driver. These hours are added to the total. Every Safety Committee Co-Chair and management person on the Safety Committee must take 8 hours of training prior to being on the committee. These hours are added to the total. Anytime an accident or injury occurres there is follow up hours of training that must take place the following day and before the individual comes back to work. These hours are added to the total. On area observations are performed by management people to insure employees are using the proper methods for driving and working. These hours are added to the total. Once a month every employee must take the "Keter Audit" questions. These hours are added to the total. I could keep on going on, but hopefully you get the picture.
If I added all these hours up and added the proper dollar amount to them, they would be in the millions without a doubt. You are right, we do spend money on making sure we pass the Keter Audit and we don't get fined by OSHA, but you fail to realize that if we pass the Keter Audit and don't get fined by OSHA we have made a safer place for you to work in. What is that worth to you?

 

[mnnice]

Well, let's see, to start will part of proper etiquette would be answering questions asked of you. What do you do for UPS? When did you start? Where are you get the right to make statements like "sober up" to someone you know absolutely nothing about? Why do you refuse to answer?

With statements like, "the company that employees me and supports me and my family.", you had better start doing some inner searching. UPS does not support my family, I do. I supported my family before UPS ever delivered one package in the city I live in. UPS simply supplies me with a job (that they need someone to do) and I supply them with an employee that does the very best he can, given the tools to do the job with. Now, here is where they usually come up with the "loyal to the company" bit, I am as loyal to UPS as they are to me, but they say it isn't enough on my part. huh.

I do some "inner searching" every day when I get up and realize what a great company I work for. One of the definitions of support means to "provide" which this company does for me and my family. I'm not questioning what it does for you, I'm just stating what it does for me.

 

[UPSNewbie]

My real world is all about safety not only my own, but my families also. I will never quit reading the Safety Committee propaganda because it affects everyone. I think when you make your statement that the company doesn't spend millions on safety training you tend to forget that training is involved in every operation throughtout the country and not just in your operation. Every driver in the country must recieve a full day safety ride which is done by the on-road supervisor or center manager. The management time alone for this training would be in the millions. Each PT person must also recieves safety training one day a year which adds to the total. Each operation throughout the country has Safety Committees which are allotted hours for meetings and misc. which are based on the number of employees in the operation. These hours are added to the total. Every employee must view the Haz. Mat video each year plus the Lock Out video which is probably an hour . These hours are added to the total. Every two years an on-road supervisor must take a 20 hour class to improve their training skills and knowledge of the 5 Seeing Habits and 10 Point Commentary and be able to demonstrate their ability to train a driver. These hours are added to the total. Every new driver has to go through an orientation prior to driving which includes a lot of safety training. These hours are added to the total. Every Feeder on-road supervisor has to take a two week course on every aspect of training and driving a tractor trailer before they can train a driver. These hours are added to the total. Every Safety Committee Co-Chair and management person on the Safety Committee must take 8 hours of training prior to being on the committee. These hours are added to the total. Anytime an accident or injury occurres there is follow up hours of training that must take place the following day and before the individual comes back to work. These hours are added to the total. On area observations are performed by management people to insure employees are using the proper methods for driving and working. These hours are added to the total. Once a month every employee must take the "Keter Audit" questions. These hours are added to the total. I could keep on going on, but hopefully you get the picture.
If I added all these hours up and added the proper dollar amount to them, they would be in the millions without a doubt. You are right, we do spend money on making sure we pass the Keter Audit and we don't get fined by OSHA, but you fail to realize that if we pass the Keter Audit and don't get fined by OSHA we have made a safer place for you to work in. What is that worth to you?

Just because you can hide cite-worthy offenses when Keter/OSHA shows up, and you pick your favorite robot to repeat unpracticed (by UPS) sayings when Keter/OSHA shows up, does NOT make UPS a safer place. Some centers are different, however. Mine wasn't bad in the safety aspect. Safety Committee actually had pull. But it's not going to be like that everywhere. You're obviously not in operations.

I don't know how not getting fined = making it MORE safe. If they didn't get fined, wouldn't it be equally as safe?

 

[stevetheupsguy]

On area observations are performed by management people to insure employees are using the proper methods for driving and working. One of the definitions of support means to "provide" which this company does for me and my family. I'm not questioning what it does for you, I'm just stating what it does for me.

OAO's are also done by hourly personnel, namely the safety co-chair, when mgmt finds it suitable.

Most people only work here because UPS supports them and their families, which does not mean "provide", to them, as it is actually the service "provider" doing all the work, for the wage they receive, which is actually the provision you speak of. Furthermore it is actually the service "provider" that supports UPS, "providing" a backbone (support) for the company.

If this was merely a post stating what it does for you, I don't think you would have found the need to post as angrily as you did, originally. It sounds to me, though your lecture on how and where the safety money is spent, was quite accurate, as if you are a gung ho person, that is only seeing things from their side of the mountain. Everything looks good from that point. I fear though, that if you were to somehow come to our vantage point, your ideas may be altered.
Your tone was way different in this post than in the previous, thanks for relaxing a bit. I understand where you're coming from, but as you stated, this is all to pass the KETER audit, so that we may be pleasing to almighty OSHA. Another way of putting it is, UPS has been spanked enough by OSHA that they will do whatever it takes, as long as it's less money than they would have actually paid in fines. jmo as always.

PS In future post, could you break it up into, say, 5-6 sentences per paragraph, so it's easier to read? Thanks

 

[UPSNewbie]

My real world is all about safety not only my own, but my families also. I will never quit reading the Safety Committee propaganda because it affects everyone. I think when you make your statement that the company doesn't spend millions on safety training you tend to forget that training is involved in every operation throughtout the country and not just in your operation. Every driver in the country must recieve a full day safety ride which is done by the on-road supervisor or center manager. The management time alone for this training would be in the millions. Each PT person must also recieves safety training one day a year which adds to the total. Each operation throughout the country has Safety Committees which are allotted hours for meetings and misc. which are based on the number of employees in the operation. These hours are added to the total. Every employee must view the Haz. Mat video each year plus the Lock Out video which is probably an hour . These hours are added to the total. Every two years an on-road supervisor must take a 20 hour class to improve their training skills and knowledge of the 5 Seeing Habits and 10 Point Commentary and be able to demonstrate their ability to train a driver. These hours are added to the total. Every new driver has to go through an orientation prior to driving which includes a lot of safety training. These hours are added to the total. Every Feeder on-road supervisor has to take a two week course on every aspect of training and driving a tractor trailer before they can train a driver. These hours are added to the total. Every Safety Committee Co-Chair and management person on the Safety Committee must take 8 hours of training prior to being on the committee. These hours are added to the total. Anytime an accident or injury occurres there is follow up hours of training that must take place the following day and before the individual comes back to work. These hours are added to the total. On area observations are performed by management people to insure employees are using the proper methods for driving and working. These hours are added to the total. Once a month every employee must take the "Keter Audit" questions. These hours are added to the total. I could keep on going on, but hopefully you get the picture.
If I added all these hours up and added the proper dollar amount to them, they would be in the millions without a doubt. You are right, we do spend money on making sure we pass the Keter Audit and we don't get fined by OSHA, but you fail to realize that if we pass the Keter Audit and don't get fined by OSHA we have made a safer place for you to work in. What is that worth to you?

Forgot to make this point: Have you not read around to find out what the probable catalyst for STUG's stugging is?

 

[dannyboy]

Generally 1/4 mile total distance without a seat belt has been the acceptable level. Take a look at your total distance. If its below that, they should not be worrying about your usage.

Pman, if what you state is true, things have changed. Dramatically.

I have seen drivers fired because they moved the truck from the place where they unload air to where they unload high values (less than 100 feet) without their belts.

But as a side bar, I have had the honor to watch a driver the last week make deliveries to where we are doing an install.

Each time he delivered I noticed the following

1 His bulkhead door was not shut, coming or going
2 His seatbelt was not on either coming or going
3 He never shut off the car (temps in the 40's-65)
4 He was out of sight of the car every time, while the car was left running
5 Every time he left, he was entering data into his diad while driving without his seatbelt.

None of the times he delivered did he have his diad in hand during the delivery, it was in the holder until he got back. Therefor there is no way he could record anything while delivering to the door.

Also, his selection time each time was in excess of 45 seconds every time. That is from the time he went through the bulkhead to enter until he came back through to exit. The longest was over two minutes.

Maybe this is the type of driver UPS is hoping to help change behavior on?

d

 

[backinbrown]

Pman, if what you state is true, things have changed. Dramatically.

I have seen drivers fired because they moved the truck from the place where they unload air to where they unload high values (less than 100 feet) without their belts.

But as a side bar, I have had the honor to watch a driver the last week make deliveries to where we are doing an install.

Each time he delivered I noticed the following

1 His bulkhead door was not shut, coming or going
2 His seatbelt was not on either coming or going
3 He never shut off the car (temps in the 40's-65)
4 He was out of sight of the car every time, while the car was left running
5 Every time he left, he was entering data into his diad while driving without his seatbelt.

None of the times he delivered did he have his diad in hand during the delivery, it was in the holder until he got back. Therefor there is no way he could record anything while delivering to the door.

Also, his selection time each time was in excess of 45 seconds every time. That is from the time he went through the bulkhead to enter until he came back through to exit. The longest was over two minutes.

Maybe this is the type of driver UPS is hoping to help change behavior on?

d

JMO if this driver is doing these things

he deserves his warning annd better learn from it.

there are no excuses for this

What was you supposed to be doing while you was timing him

 

[backinbrown]

My real world is all about safety not only my own, but my families also. I will never quit reading the Safety Committee propaganda because it affects everyone. I think when you make your statement that the company doesn't spend millions on safety training you tend to forget that training is involved in every operation throughtout the country and not just in your operation.

What do you do at UPS? how long have you been at UPS? why won't you answer this question? What are you hiding?

Every driver in the country must recieve a full day safety ride which is done by the on-road supervisor or center manager. The management time alone for this training would be in the millions.

What do you do at UPS? how long have you been at UPS? why won't you answer this question? What are you hiding?



Each PT person must also recieves safety training one day a year which adds to the total. Each operation throughout the country has Safety Committees which are allotted hours for meetings and misc. which are based on the number of employees in the operation. These hours are added to the total. Every employee must view the Haz. Mat video each year plus the Lock Out video which is probably an hour . These hours are added to the total.

What do you do at UPS? how long have you been at UPS? why won't you answer this question? What are you hiding?



Every two years an on-road supervisor must take a 20 hour class to improve their training skills and knowledge of the 5 Seeing Habits and 10 Point Commentary and be able to demonstrate their ability to train a driver. These hours are added to the total. Every new driver has to go through an orientation prior to driving which includes a lot of safety training. These hours are added to the total.

What do you do at UPS? how long have you been at UPS? why won't you answer this question? What are you hiding?


Every Feeder on-road supervisor has to take a two week course on every aspect of training and driving a tractor trailer before they can train a driver. These hours are added to the total.What do you do at UPS? how long have you been at UPS? why won't you answer this question? What are you hiding?



Every Safety Committee Co-Chair and management person on the Safety Committee must take 8 hours of training prior to being on the committee. These hours are added to the total.What do you do at UPS? how long have you been at UPS? why won't you answer this question? What are you hiding?

Anytime an accident or injury occurres there is follow up hours of training that must take place the following day and before the individual comes back to work. These hours are added to the total. What do you do at UPS? how long have you been at UPS? why won't you answer this question? What are you hiding?

On area observations are performed by management people to insure employees are using the proper methods for driving and working. These hours are added to the total. Once a month every employee must take the "Keter Audit" questions. These hours are added to the total. I could keep on going on, but hopefully you get the picture.What do you do at UPS? how long have you been at UPS? why won't you answer this question? What are you hiding?


If I added all these hours up and added the proper dollar amount to them, they would be in the millions without a doubt. You are right, we do spend money on making sure we pass the Keter Audit and we don't get fined by OSHA, but you fail to realize that if we pass the Keter Audit and don't get fined by OSHA we have made a safer place for you to work in. What is that worth to you?

What do you do at UPS? how long have you been at UPS? why won't you answer this question? What are you hiding?

 

[dannyboy]

Back, forget to post on that last one?

As for what I was doing when he was delivering, I was on break, what else.

d

 

[backinbrown]

To me all you did was tell me stuff i already know

as though you was informing me of were the money goes

tell me then what is your opinion on why we can't have a three point safety belt foe $40 a vehicle

They just want us to be safe don't they?

 

[backinbrown]

Back, forget to post on that last one?

As for what I was doing when he was delivering, I was on break, what else.

d

LMAO i wanted to get you

i was going for time thief jk

 

[backinbrown]

OAO's are also done by hourly personnel, namely the safety co-chair, when mgmt finds it suitable.
yes yes yes

Most people only work here because UPS supports them and their families, which does not mean "provide", to them, as it is actually the service "provider" doing all the work, for the wage they receive, which is actually the provision you speak of. Furthermore it is actually the service "provider" that supports UPS, "providing" a backbone (support) for the company.
Amen
If this was merely a post stating what it does for you, I don't think you would have found the need to post as angrily as you did, originally. It sounds to me, though your lecture on how and where the safety money is spent, was quite accurate, as if you are a gung ho person, that is only seeing things from their side of the mountain. Everything looks good from that point. I fear though, that if you were to somehow come to our vantage point, your ideas may be altered. I want to know what he does and how long
Your tone was way different in this post than in the previous, thanks for relaxing a bit. I understand where you're coming from, but as you stated, this is all to pass the KETER audit, so that we may be pleasing to almighty OSHA. Another way of putting it is, UPS has been spanked enough by OSHA that they will do whatever it takes, as long as it's less money than they would have actually paid in fines. jmo as always. Tone was better except felt like he thought he is better informed than myself therfore i want to know what he does and for how long

PS In future post, could you break it up into, say, 5-6 sentences per paragraph, so it's easier to read? Thanks

my eyes was crossing reading it i had to quote and edit it so i could read

 

[dannyboy]

And answer me this, why is the cost $40? I have heard several throw this number around. What is the basis for your cost estimate?

As far as why not, riddle me this. Why is UPS mothballing a whole fleet of low rider trucks (p1000's) that have 3 point seat belts and are a lot newer than the trucks you are complaining about?

Know the answer to that one?

d