newfie
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the existing laws failed to be enforced . yet we now want more laws to not enforce.
Terrorism on American Soil - Texas Massacre in the House of God
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the existing laws failed to be enforced . yet we now want more laws to not enforce.
You don't either and banning guns ain't one of them.
newfie
Well-Known Member
after being wounded and chased by the good guy.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Tony Montana?
That's Cali for "Little Prick" isn't it?
Yup, he lost all interest in killing more people after the law abiding citizen shot him.
MAKAVELI
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There's already as many guns as there are people in this country. We don't suffer from a lack of guns in this country but we do suffer from a culture of violence and a fascination of guns.
America’s unique gun violence problem, explained in 17 maps and charts
newfie
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nothing like a little return fire to get your mind right
retiredTxfeeder
cap'n crunch
Since this happened about 200 miles from my home, the local news lead with the latest every newscast. Today, it came out that the guy who chased and shot the murderer was a former NRA instructor. He hit him 2 times. The bad guy dropped the gun he was using and fled in his car. After crashing his SUV in a ditch, the coward then ended his own life with a bullet to the head.
BrownArmy
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I assume you're responding to me.
There are a range of solutions.
Let's kick aside the 'banning guns' range of options, which we (I assume) would both agree are meaningless.
If it really is a mental health issue, than instead of paying lip-service every time there's a mass-shooting, why don't we GET REAL about mental health treatment.
On a side note, it's mental health treatment that will get us out of the opioid crisis.
Banning guns won't stop mass shootings anymore than banning heroin will stop an opioid crisis that was exacerbated by doctors handing out oxy-whatever by the handful.
So, one solution would be to get serious about health care, and mental health care in particular.
I enjoy tools, I'm a tool-user. Personally, I enjoy modern versions of 18th century woodworking tools.
A gun is a tool, just like a hand-plane.
I'm on woodworking forums, and it's not uncommon to find crossover with gun-forum folks (gun scales, finishing techniques, etc.). As a tool-user, it's fascinating.
Personally, I have no utility for any gun. I don't feel like I need a gun, I've shot guns before and I simply don't care for them one way or another. I have enough hobbies.
Having said that, if someone wants to explore the 'tool' world of guns, great, knock yourself out. As well, if someone legitimately feels unsafe and thinks a gun will change that, great.
That's not the point, is it?
There is a mass-shooting problem in this country, and every time, all I hear from gun-enthusiasts is '2nd Amendment' and 'Assault-weapon is a made-up term by the liberals!!!' etc.
Um, ok.
My point before was, if we're not going to realistically address the problem, then we should all just STFU.
bottomups
Bad Moon Risen'
I don't chase rabbits. I shoot them.
bottomups
Bad Moon Risen'
I don't have a concept of god. Don't believe in religion.
newfie
Well-Known Member
it fits
But the same side pointing at mental health cuts mental health funding.In my opinion this makes perfect sense for conceal carry... Protection. The problem isn't with guns; it is with the mental health issues and those need to be addressed.
I'll bet everyone in that church owns a gun or one of their family members or friend does. I'll even go so far as to say that most if not all the those affected by this personally wouldn't change a damn thing about gun laws and only wished they had a their gun in church that day so they had aing chance.
Also, guns don't kill people, people kill people with guns, knives, bombs, cars and by whatever means they decide.
Oh, and I've never owned a gun.
Maybe they don't see a problem.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
There's not a "one size fits all" type of solution that is not going to infringe
on lawful, law abiding citizens.
I can understand and respect this post for several reasons.
Firearms are most defiantly a tool. They are a tool, to stop someone from imposing
their will upon me. That's what the founders of our country understood.
After all.... they had just fought a war with the British, just for this vary reason.
I respect anyones right to choose.... whether they want to take the responsibly of
protecting themselves and their families, or relying on the police to do it.
(BTW the police have no obligation to protect you, only the population in general)
Ironic.... considering your avatar.
Comparing the United States to other countries ?
The United States doesn't even crack the top 25 list, for countries in the world
with the highest murder rate. Yet.... our neighbors to the south, are #20.
Where would I start ?
MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
Not ironic at all. Just a product of his environment and the violent culture Americans seem to be so fascinated with.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
Isn't that "just deserts" ?
You live by the sword.... You die by the sword ?
When you say Americans are fascinated by the violent culture....
Does that include, a father and mother that take their children to church ?
And participate in their schooling, with trying to instill a moral fiber ?
Yes. All that is included.
MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
Everyone is guilty of the obsession of violence until it hits close to home.
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