We need to demand hazard pay

dezguy

Well-Known Member
I really sympathize for you guys with your disgruntled tone about our company, and yeah , they've been tight asses regarding raises, and the ground guy's with their 140 deliveries and no benefits...it's totally understandable...back in the day if you we're real good and got 6.8 or 6.9..on your yearly reviews (some of you may not know this).. but you'd top out in a few years....but they got rid of that ....you guys got in a little late, unfortunately. ..but the guys on the board wearing the suits need to make the big bucks and grunts get the shaft..and it sucks!..our company isn't as profitable as it once was and our stock has tanked..it's a perfect storm of greed and mismanagement...I kind of expected this for some time now...the kool-aid has turned sour..but at least I'm not dying of thirst.
As I said in another thread; this isn't our company! None of us own FedEx, stop treating it as such.

Sure, some of us have stock but the amount of stock any of us own is a pittance to the company.

This is a job and the sooner people stop taking ownership in in it, the better we'll all be. The days of running through a wall for this company because you know you'd be taking care of, are over!
 

Mr.Brown1982

Active Member
Saw this today!
 

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cobo51

New Member
Yeah, I think Fred can afford something for the workers.

Net Income, after all the bills are paid. Why no raises again?

FedEx Annual Net Income
(Millions of US $)

2019 $540
2018 $4,572
2017 $2,997
2016 $1,820
2015 $1,050
2014 $2,324
2013 $2,716
2012 $2,032
2011 $1,452
2010 $1,184
2009 $98
2008 $1,125
2007 $2,016
2006 $1,806
2005 $1,449
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I think Fred can afford something for the workers.

Net Income, after all the bills are paid. Why no raises again?

FedEx Annual Net Income
(Millions of US $)

2019 $540
2018 $4,572
2017 $2,997
2016 $1,820
2015 $1,050
2014 $2,324
2013 $2,716
2012 $2,032
2011 $1,452
2010 $1,184
2009 $98
2008 $1,125
2007 $2,016
2006 $1,806
2005 $1,449

One need only look at the dramatic drop in net revenue from 2018 to 2019 to answer that question.
 

Working4the1%

Well-Known Member
Everyday I get NY City packages. 102000 cases Now. What is difference between Wuhan and NYC. Answer nothing. Wish I could buy my own gloves and sanitizer...but no hazard pay. So the spread continues....
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
You forgot shareholders. They're more important to Fred than any employee.
He has a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders. Plus if you look at total payroll, which is about half of total revenue, there's no way the company is going to give couriers what couriers want with the leftover profit.
 

AB831

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I think Fred can afford something for the workers.

Net Income, after all the bills are paid. Why no raises again?

FedEx Annual Net Income
(Millions of US $)

2019 $540
2018 $4,572
2017 $2,997
2016 $1,820
2015 $1,050
2014 $2,324
2013 $2,716
2012 $2,032
2011 $1,452
2010 $1,184
2009 $98
2008 $1,125
2007 $2,016
2006 $1,806
2005 $1,449
And yet the company's official position for making less then 10% of what they did in 2018 last year is because of a tariff and customers just not appreciating how "we're so much better than Amazon". There's NO wrong doing on FedEx's part. None whatsoever. Every decision they make is perfect. It's someone else's fault.
 

Cactus

Just telling it like it is
He has a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders. Plus if you look at total payroll, which is about half of total revenue, couriers there's no way the company is going to give what couriers want with the leftover profit.
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Nuttin' personal Van but........
 

upsbeernut

Sometimes i feel like a nut sometimes i dont
You driver slugs should have run and gunned, ups liked high production drivers and do favors. Unfortunately those days are over.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Just show me the math of how it's possible and I won't point this out when y'all claim there's plenty of money to give you much better pay.

It's possible short-term during the emergency, and much deserved. Long-term? Not in the cards given the financial peril of Express.
 

Cactus

Just telling it like it is
What is Fred buying that is killing net income?
Looking at the numbers he can more than afford to pay every Fedex driver and contractor $30hr and provide premium free healthcare.
FedEx Revenue 2006-2020 | FDX
He could but him and his cronies have gotten so greedy over the years like overfed pigs in a trough that has shoved everyone else (the front-line workers) aside. Plus FedEx is notorious for spending lots of money on stupid stuff. A lot of it is toys that hopefully will impress Wall Street. It's all sickening.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
What is Fred buying that is killing net income?
Looking at the numbers he can more than afford to pay every Fedex driver and contractor $30hr and provide premium free healthcare.
FedEx Revenue 2006-2020 | FDX
Don't know the current numbers but when FedEx had about $53 Billion of total income it's payroll was close to half of that. So if shelling out about $26 Billion a year in pay then how with the profit at anywhere from hundreds of millions to about $4 Billion then how can they pay every courier $30 hr with premium insurance to boot? There used to be about 70,000 couriers. If they all worked exactly 40 hours at $30 hr for 52 weeks a year you're looking at over $43 Billion! Before we start arguing about how many are part-time there are a lot more employees than couriers, and I didn't even mention OT or benefits. And FedEx has huge fuel and vehicle costs too. Honestly we took it on the chin all those years with minimal raises. But the current pay plan is about as good as you could hope for. And with the current crisis things are beyond the company's control. It will take longer to top out because the company isn't going to shell out more than it takes in. Do the math. I want all of you guys to get as much as possible. But it's labor intensive work that requires a large workforce. So there's only so much to spread around. And why they are shifting work to Ground to ultimately reduce hours and total employees. If we end up in a depression don't expect great pay and a decent retirement. You'll be fortunate to have a job.
 

Maui

Well-Known Member
Don't know the current numbers but when FedEx had about $53 Billion of total income it's payroll was close to half of that. So if shelling out about $26 Billion a year in pay then how with the profit at anywhere from hundreds of millions to about $4 Billion then how can they pay every courier $30 hr with premium insurance to boot? There used to be about 70,000 couriers. If they all worked exactly 40 hours at $30 hr for 52 weeks a year you're looking at over $43 Billion! Before we start arguing about how many are part-time there are a lot more employees than couriers, and I didn't even mention OT or benefits. And FedEx has huge fuel and vehicle costs too. Honestly we took it on the chin all those years with minimal raises. But the current pay plan is about as good as you could hope for. And with the current crisis things are beyond the company's control. It will take longer to top out because the company isn't going to shell out more than it takes in. Do the math. I want all of you guys to get as much as possible. But it's labor intensive work that requires a large workforce. So there's only so much to spread around. And why they are shifting work to Ground to ultimately reduce hours and total employees. If we end up in a depression don't expect great pay and a decent retirement. You'll be fortunate to have a job.

It's more like 40,000 couriers. The actual financials for FY20, which has been a bad year, are not even close to 50% labor.

Q3 Revenue - $17.487b
Q3 Salaries and benefits - $6.382b
36.49% of revenue (2% raise Oct)

FY20 YTD revenue $51.859b
FY20 YTD salaries and benefits $18.704b
36.05% of revenue

FY19 35.55% of revenue
FY18 36.36% of revenue

UPS 2019 52.51% of revenue
UPS 2018 51.82% of revenue

Of course this is worldwide for both and FedEx has been making significant capital investments at Express and Ground. As you can see, FedEx spends much more on other expenses than UPS. The average US Express courier wage is probably about $23-$24/hour. $6-7/hour plus the additional taxes, 401K match, etc would be substantial even without OT. About $500 million/year and RTD, CSA, Dispatch, etc would also need raises.

The additional cost to raise salaries to $30/hour would be too much for FedEx and that is just Express. Last mile, aircraft modernization, hub expansion and automation, and the buildout for Ground will reduce capital expenses significantly beginning June 2022 in addition to integrating TNT. Depending on how long and deep the COVID impact, there will be much, much more money available for wages then and employees should get some of that and would be right to ask for it.
 
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