Will there be a national strike at UPS?

[PT Car Washer]

When the federal government negotiates your contract, that's not a union anymore. The unions out of it.
The federal government will be telling the railroad workers what they can and can't have.
Where is the uproar and screaming on the left and Democrats? They love the unions. So pro labor.
You don't hear that because it's all a bunch of phony nonsense.
All this ideology is garbage. It's expediency in power.

The Federal government will also be telling the RR what they can and can't have. From all reports it seems the RR workers are satisfied with what they won. Except for a few hard core holdouts.

 

[BrownFlush]

The Federal government will also be telling the RR what they can and can't have. From all reports it seems the RR workers are satisfied with what they won.

The federal government will be telling the railroad workers what they can and can't have.

Satisfied or unsatisfied misses the point.
They, we, labor, lost when the Federal Government was allowed/called on to negotiate their contract.

 

[AKCoverMan]

Reagan + Air Traffic Controllers = A lesson we should never forget.

Big difference is in that case the Government WAS the Employer. So that was the Employer and the Union failing to come to an agreement.

In the case of Railroads the Government is dictating an imposed labor agreement upon private companies and labor unions. It smacks of “Central Planning” and in a time where organized labor appears to have a bit of leverage this just weakens us.

 

[AKCoverMan]

The Federal government will also be telling the RR what they can and can't have. From all reports it seems the RR workers are satisfied with what they won. Except for a few hard core holdouts.

”The Federal Government will also be telling the RR what they can and can’t have.” Brilliant! Put the Feds in charge of running the railroads. A “Ministry of the Peoples Railroad” perhaps, Comrade?

 

[PT Car Washer]

Big difference is in that case the Government WAS the Employer. So that was the Employer and the Union failing to come to an agreement.

In the case of Railroads the Government is dictating an imposed labor agreement upon private companies and labor unions. It smacks of “Central Planning” and in a time where organized labor appears to have a bit of leverage this just weakens us.

The United States government gave vast tracts of Federal land to the RR as an incentive to connect the country. The RR sold these tracts at tremendous profits. This gives the Government leverage over the RR. It seems most RR workers are satisfied with what they won after 3 years of negotiations.

 

[PT Car Washer]

”The Federal Government will also be telling the RR what they can and can’t have.” Brilliant! Put the Feds in charge of running the railroads. A “Ministry of the Peoples Railroad” perhaps, Comrade?

Only a Fascists Dictator would suggest this. trump follower? Most of the RR Union members voted to accept the new contract.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

A vast majority of the RR workers voted to accept the new contract.

You are incorrect.
Most of these union members voted against this contract, which is why it didn't pass. That's how it works buddy. You're confusing it with the other unions that accepted their separate contracts.

Only a few holdouts threatened to hold the country hostage.

That is certainly the company narrative. Workers are just out to hold customers hostage, blah blah blah.

This was a win win for everyone.

It is a lose lose for every union member in the country. We have a two party system. Only one of those parties says they care about unions, and they just proved by siding with the railroad companies that they do not.

 

[AKCoverMan]

The problem here PT is that it would seem you think having the Government dictate terms to either or both sides is a GOOD thing. I believe it is destroying the entire negotiation process. Suddenly everything has to be predicted on whether or not the Government is going to step in.

I would prefer the railroads keep railroading; it would impact economy as whole but if RRs didn’t feel they had Joe on their side perhaps a better agreement would have been reached either in time or after a brief stoppage. We will never know. But UPS is certainly watching it play out with extreme interest. UPS lobbyists no doubt already working it priming Congress with info on how “disruptive and dangerous for The Nation in these Turbulent Times”…

 

[PT Car Washer]

You are incorrect.
Most of these union members voted against this contract, which is why it didn't pass. That's how it works buddy. You're confusing it with the other unions that accepted their separate contracts.

That is certainly the company narrative. Workers are just out to hold customers hostage, blah blah blah.

It is a lose lose for every union member in the country. We have a two party system. Only one of those parties says they care about unions, and they just proved by siding with the railroad companies that they do not.

Spin it anyway you want to. The fact is 8 out of 12 Unions voted to accept the contract.

 

[AKCoverMan]

trump follower?

How does this have anything at all to do with President Trump? The issue is the federal government meddling in contract negotiations between employees and employers.

it’s wrong no matter if you have an R or a D after your name. It will not serve us well.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

So as of now, they wouldn’t be able to interfere with our negotiations?

Depends on what you mean by interfere.
Clinton was involved in 97'.

what did he do?

Sent his Labor Secretary to sit in on the negotiations.

What would be wrong with that
It would give both sides some incentive to not be total dicks and bargain in good faith

Depends.

Originally Clinton said he wasn't going to get involved at all, then as it dragged on he sent his Labor Secretary, then started making public statements about how they need to come to resolution. Seems like implied pressure indicating that he would act if they didn't end it.

I don't think that's good precedent. You might like it when a Democrat is President, but then the precedent is there for a republican to interfere as well.

I don't want the government involved in the process at all.

 

[PT Car Washer]

The problem here PT is that it would seem you think having the Government dictate terms to either or both sides is a GOOD thing. I believe it is destroying the entire negotiation process. Suddenly everything has to be predicted on whether or not the Government is going to step in.

I would prefer the railroads keep railroading; it would impact economy as whole but if RRs didn’t feel they had Joe on their side perhaps a better agreement would have been reached either in time or after a brief stoppage. We will never know. But UPS is certainly watching it play out with extreme interest. UPS lobbyists no doubt already working it priming Congress with info on how “disruptive and dangerous for The Nation in these Turbulent Times”…

Or if the RR didn't fear that the President was on the workers side they would get a better deal. The RR counted on the Republican Congress to cut their loses.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Spin it anyway you want to. The fact is 8 out of 12 Unions voted to accept the contract.

You are wrong.
They did not all vote on  the contract.
They voted on their individual contracts.

You're spinning this.

 

[AKCoverMan]

Spin it anyway you want to. The fact is 8 out of 12 Unions voted to accept the contract.

And four did not. Why should the government dictate to them? That’s the Chia way, the Russian way, the North Korea way.

 

[PT Car Washer]

And four did not. Why should the government dictate to them? That’s the Chia way, the Russian way, the North Korea way.

And the Republican way.

 

[AKCoverMan]

Or if the RR didn't fear that the President was on the workers side they would get a better deal. The RR counted on the Republican Congress to cut their loses.

Why are you so friggen hell bent on making this about R and D? It’s about government abusing poser no matter who is in charge.

Our enemys must all get a great laugh over how we are so GD busy cheerleading for our political teams we can’t see simple points right in front of us and we are frightened beyond belief to admit we agree on anything.

 

[AKCoverMan]

And the Republican way.

I mean it’s a Dem controlled congress and White House if you really insist on making it about senseless political party cheerleading. Sorry but them be facts…. And it doesn’t matter because it’s so beside the point!

 

[UnionStrong]

Why are you so friggen hell bent on making this about R and D? It’s about government abusing poser no matter who is in charge.

Our enemys must all get a great laugh over how we are so GD busy cheerleading for our political teams we can’t see simple points right in front of us and we are frightened beyond belief to admit we agree on anything.

Pay him no mind, he’s a fool. All transportation unions must support the railway workers! You’ll be next.
It’s a well known story, divide and conquer. Wake up!

 

[PT Car Washer]

Why are you so friggen hell bent on making this about R and D? It’s about government abusing poser no matter who is in charge.

Our enemys must all get a great laugh over how we are so GD busy cheerleading for our political teams we can’t see simple points right in front of us and we are frightened beyond belief to admit we agree on anything.

You and your cult are the ones dividing the country . Before there was disagreements but what was best for the country was the prime motivation. Now it is just a football game and all that matters is who wins or loses.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Pay him no mind, he’s a fool. All transportation unions must support the railway workers! You’ll be next.
It’s a well known story, divide and conquer. Wake up!

Divide and conquer is the Republican playback because they are the minority party.