Will UPS ever offer driver buyout?

542thruNthru

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How the corporate heads divi-up the profits is besides the point. The issue at ground level is not being able to offer competitive shipping rates. Plain and simple. If our customers can receive the service from someone else for cheaper, they will. That's business.

And right now, UPS is at a big disadvantage because its wage expenses are twice as much as what Amazon's are. The big question: How do we remain competitive and NOT price ourselves out of business?
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Netsua 3:16

Stop being a little bitch
How the corporate heads divi-up the profits is besides the point. The issue at ground level is not being able to offer competitive shipping rates. Plain and simple. If our customers can receive the service from someone else for cheaper, they will. That's business.

And right now, UPS is at a big disadvantage because its wage expenses are twice as much as what Amazon's are. The big question: How do we remain competitive and NOT price ourselves out of business?
Our ability to offer competitive shipping rates is very much affected by how the corporate heads divi up the profits.....
I see exactly where you’re coming from and you make a good point. For the life of me, I don’t understand how we can be ok with centers across the country:
not having enough trucks
not properly staffed
won’t even buy DR bags when we have a bad quarter.....
What I’m saying is; the finances and what we can and can’t do is severely affected by the fact that David Abney took home $13.7 million.
$13.7 million!!!!!! And we didn’t have toilet paper in the men’s bathroom for 3 weeks earlier this year because we had “fallen on tough times.”
It’s not enough for him to simply make $2 million a year??? And take the difference and apply it to freaking operations??? $13.7 million is absolutely, 100% unnecessary. Period. And I’m quite certain there’s more guys who literally contribute nothing to operations, sit behind a desk, bark orders, and collect obscene amounts of money, which increases every year with bonuses and raises, while at the same time LOWERING THE DRIVER PAY SCALE.
Perfect example of “irresponsible capitalism.”
 

zubenelgenubi

Well-Known Member
"The National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) has a provision that may be the best kept secret in labor law. Known as de-authorization, it allows workers to opt out of joining a union as a condition of employment." - Forbes
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Deauthorization doesn't give you the right not to join a union. Being in a state with RTW laws gives you the right not to join a union.

I'll keep showing up. I'm just saying. We're already losing accounts. The landscape is changing and I don't know what challenges the next 5-10 years will bring.
My center grew 30% last quarter. I know that's not the case everywhere, but things are nowhere near as bleak as you are implying.

How the corporate heads divi-up the profits is besides the point. The issue at ground level is not being able to offer competitive shipping rates. Plain and simple. If our customers can receive the service from someone else for cheaper, they will. That's business.

And right now, UPS is at a big disadvantage because its wage expenses are twice as much as what Amazon's are. The big question: How do we remain competitive and NOT price ourselves out of business?
Calling Amazon's delivery service garbage would be an insult to garbage. If they don't compete for better employees with better wages, their service won't get better either. And guess what, Amazon's retail side has its competitors as well, and they are starting to get their heads out of their butts. Target, Walmart and Macy's are getting their online sales processes dialed in, and now Amazon has to play catch up to their hybrid brick and mortar/online business models.

You simply can't look at one factor in a very complex situation and make accurate predictions based on that. If UPS was concerned at all with compensation costs, they would have fought tooth and nail to minimize them during the last contract negotiations.

We don't need people like you running around explaining why we need to make less money. The decision makers understand the labor and services markets better than you do, even if they don't always make the best decisions. We need people arguing why workers should be making more money.
 

PT Car Washer

Well-Known Member
It's called a lock out. A buy out would never happen. The technology the company is investing in is meant to dumb down the job. They want to make it so someone off the street can walk in and do it...For $15/hr. Then tell the union to pound sand
We can't hire enough drivers at $21/hr.
 

ACmoses

Well-Known Member
Our ability to offer competitive shipping rates is very much affected by how the corporate heads divi up the profits.....
I see exactly where you’re coming from and you make a good point. For the life of me, I don’t understand how we can be ok with centers across the country:
not having enough trucks
not properly staffed
won’t even buy DR bags when we have a bad quarter.....
What I’m saying is; the finances and what we can and can’t do is severely affected by the fact that David Abney took home $13.7 million.
$13.7 million!!!!!! And we didn’t have toilet paper in the men’s bathroom for 3 weeks earlier this year because we had “fallen on tough times.”
It’s not enough for him to simply make $2 million a year??? And take the difference and apply it to freaking operations??? $13.7 million is absolutely, 100% unnecessary. Period. And I’m quite certain there’s more guys who literally contribute nothing to operations, sit behind a desk, bark orders, and collect obscene amounts of money, which increases every year with bonuses and raises, while at the same time LOWERING THE DRIVER PAY SCALE.
Perfect example of “irresponsible capitalism.”
Believe it or not, Abney is not paid that much compared to other CEO's in America running smaller businesses. It's a lot of money but CEO pay has increased from 30xs average workers' income to 300x to 400xs the average workers' pay in the last 30 years. Greed is rampant in our country!
 

just chillin'

Rest in peace wooba
nobody mentioned what kinda buy out? how much would it take? how many years ya need in to qualify? im in my early 50s now and just hit my 30th full time year so i can max out now at $4400 minus medical. i have no plans on retiring yet but a check for two years salary might make me rethink that.
 
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