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What i meant to say was if the C6 wasn't enhanced by our no vote the deductible would not be $0. Done arguing. Best to you and your family.100 and 200 bucks is a big deductible. Fat chance. Wake up and face reality.
What i meant to say was if the C6 wasn't enhanced by our no vote the deductible would not be $0. Done arguing. Best to you and your family.100 and 200 bucks is a big deductible. Fat chance. Wake up and face reality.
I have news for you. It was going to be enhances anyway.What i meant to say was if the C6 wasn't enhanced by our no vote the deductible would not be $0. Done arguing. Best to you and your family.
Read your post about someone cussing at you it was a joke.When you call me a SOB you don't insult me you insult my mother.
You're quite a man aren't you.
I've learned a long time ago that when someone stoops to name calling they have run out of answers.
It's not my fault that your friend didn't sign up for disability in time although I feel bad for his family and their loss of a Dad and husband.
It is not worth bringing up the real teamcare guidelines for even a wife to continue benefits after the members death and that, as we all know is not written in stone. There are conditions like not using out of network providers for several months prior to the day of death. Not one.
Enough with the arguing and dealing with duck and weave insults. You have lost my respect when you called my mother a bitch.
Game on.
Read it again and think about it take a joke when you give one don't be so sensitiveIf we had ratified it in august she'd still be paying the big deductibles.
Is there no thankfulness to us for our stance?
Without us you lose and because of our backbone everyone got blessed.... for now.
It's like trying to rescue someone who is cussing at you for helping.
We have faced the reality that it won't stop at 100 & 200.100 and 200 bucks is a big deductible. Fat chance. Wake up and face reality.
What about the other question. It's an inside question between you and me.We have faced the reality that it won't stop at 100 & 200.
We have faced the reality that once Pandora's Box is opened, we will never get it closed again and we have chosen to fight to keep it closed.
I didn't see any questions in the post I quoted?What about the other question. It's an inside question between you and me.
Not quite. The letter complains of three impacts the ACA has on Taft Hartley plans, none of which will affect UPS emplyees under this agreement.As it stands today, Hoffa's statement is intact and implies that we are being place in an unsustainable plan.
I think it was a joke chu. Maybe you need a Xanax or something to relax. I'm worried about you. I think you are to serious right now. It's just a message board.When you call me a SOB you don't insult me you insult my mother.
You're quite a man aren't you.
I've learned a long time ago that when someone stoops to name calling they have run out of answers.
It's not my fault that your friend didn't sign up for disability in time although I feel bad for his family and their loss of a Dad and husband.
It is not worth bringing up the real teamcare guidelines for even a wife to continue benefits after the members death and that, as we all know is not written in stone. There are conditions like not using out of network providers for several months prior to the day of death. Not one.
Enough with the arguing and dealing with duck and weave insults. You have lost my respect when you called my mother a bitch.
Game on.
The rest of your post was blaming me and those that voted opposite you for this family's hardship.Read it again and think about it take a joke when you give one don't be so sensitive
I didn't try to deny anything. What I did write regarding the SOB comment wasn't meant to offend you. For the joke I am sorry.The rest of your post was blaming me and those that voted opposite you for this family's hardship.
Stonefish, that, you can't deny.
I've come to expect the worst on here and you can shove your comment under the rug but you knew it was a 50% chance I would (and your audience) take it at face value coupled with the rest of your condemnation that put this family seemingly in bankruptcy after his death.
It isn't worth the energy we expend for me to interact with you anymore.
The best to you and your family.
Not quite. The letter complains of three impacts the ACA has on Taft Hartley plans, none of which will affect UPS emplyees under this agreement.
1) The incentive to cut full time hours to 30 or less.
Not happening at UPS.
2) Taft Hartley plans not eligible for subsidies.
Subsidies for individuals kick in depending on earnings. With HC paid by UPS through negotiated contributions via the contract, individual eligibility vanishes.
3) Taft Hartley plans pay tax for ACA.
Correct, but without the implementation of the ACA (which is expected to lower overall H&W costs), H&W plans would have paid out higher claim costs thereby expending additional funds. It becomes something of a wash. While the three year "tax" paid by plans could be a factor, the impact will be felt by smaller plans and absorbed by larger plans.
Hoffa clearly stated in the letter you've referenced numerous times that "Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable..."
The fact is point 1 and 2 of the letter do not apply to the members moving into the TeamCare plan under the UPS contract, so only point 3, with it's marginal impact, applies.
Thank you. This may be a surprise but yes they're are many Taft Hartley plans with less benefits and high co-premiums. There are contracts where hours aren't guaranteed as they are in the UPS agreement. Hoffa was speaking for all Teamsters, in fact all labor, not just UPS'ers. The ACA does impact union run Taft Hartleys, but the impact on UPS members will be slightly felt because of the high level of negotiated benefits.So the ACA adversely impacts Taft Hartley plans but not UPS members got it that makes perfect sense.
What i meant to say was if the C6 wasn't enhanced by our no vote the deductible would not be $0. Done arguing. Best to you and your family.
Thank you. This may be a surprise but yes they're are many Taft Hartley plans with less benefits and high co-premiums. There are contracts where hours aren't guaranteed as they are in the UPS agreement. Hoffa was speaking for all Teamsters, in fact all labor, not just UPS'ers. The ACA does impact union run Taft Hartleys, but the impact on UPS members will be slightly felt because of the high level of negotiated benefits.
This man can speak on my behalf anytime. He's the best this site has to offer and the most reasonable.Thank you. This may be a surprise but yes they're are many Taft Hartley plans with less benefits and high co-premiums. There are contracts where hours aren't guaranteed as they are in the UPS agreement. Hoffa was speaking for all Teamsters, in fact all labor, not just UPS'ers. The ACA does impact union run Taft Hartleys, but the impact on UPS members will be slightly felt because of the high level of negotiated benefits.
I wholeheartily agree Taft Hartleys are getting squeezed and unfairly treated. Contract negotiators will need to assess the points you've made and determine the best HC solutions for their members. But the most heavily subsidized plans (bronze level, 60/40 with monster deductibles) are not likely to be satisfactory to many members so will not be accepted by their negotiators.That is exactly the problem, employers who plans have high co-premiums will better of on the exchange with the subsidies available to the employees.
As these employers pull out of Taft plans the sustainably of plans such as Teamcare are uncertain.
The national and central passed the healthcare is doneWe have faced the reality that it won't stop at 100 & 200.
We have faced the reality that once Pandora's Box is opened, we will never get it closed again and we have chosen to fight to keep it closed.
What do you think we can expect to get out of it if we vote it down?We have faced the reality that it won't stop at 100 & 200.
We have faced the reality that once Pandora's Box is opened, we will never get it closed again and we have chosen to fight to keep it closed.